I think I've said enough.
Girls stomach removed after drinking liquid nitrogen cocktail
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Girls stomach removed after drinking liquid nitrogen cocktail
thats right it was in reply to bens is is popular remark, as it is him that has made the use of the stuff popular. maxi just picks out bits and pieces of a post mixis them up and confuses himself as trolls normally do.
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To be honest, it doesn't matter what you think you know about LN. If you go into a reputable bar and they have a drink with it in, why should you doubt them?
Ever had a flaming sambuka? That's hardly sensible either is it ....
Ever had a flaming sambuka? That's hardly sensible either is it ....
At last someone with some sense! 3 pages of sniping and blaming when no one here knows the real facts or why the reaction occurred. Did her friends chip in to buy her the drinks as a present, did she know what she was drinking (not everyone is a chemist)...who knows?
Remember that could of been you or your kid out with her friends having fun the same way you/we did when we were younger.
Picks out bits of a post? I quoted your whole post
As for being a troll, people are allowed to have differences of opinion on a discussion forum are we not?
I do feel sorry for her, but sometimes you've just got to feel that people are responsible for their own safety and wellbeing. If people questioned and researched what they did with their body and what they put into it then the world would be a better place and this poor girl would still have a stomach.
As I understand it, as it has a boiling point of -196c, obviously if it enters the body which is warm it will immediately boil and give off huge quantities of gas, which will expand and clearly whilst the stomach is not a sealed chamber, the gas will try to find ways out that are greater than the normal bodily escape routes.
The head guys that deal with compressed gases are saying that it is highly irresponsible of celebrity chefs to be showing the use of LN in food prep.
So Dave's in good company.
I'm sorry, but we're talking preparation, not consumption. That's like saying that they shouldn't fry stuff on the tv because someone might drink hot oil.
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The argument about drinking boiling oil isn't the same though.
If boiling oil could be put in a state which made it safe, then people would maybe drink it.
What about Fugu? If that's prepared wrongly, then you're dead....
If boiling oil could be put in a state which made it safe, then people would maybe drink it.
What about Fugu? If that's prepared wrongly, then you're dead....
I have a feeling you must have nothing to do at the moment so you are just filling in time by being deliberately provocative!
I don't suppose any of us was present in the bar where this girl had the drink, but I think we can safely assume that she neither mixed it herself or realised what she had been given. She had every right to assume that what she was being given was not harmful (apart from alcohol itself being harmful if you drink enough of it).
If she had picked up a bottle that said "cleaning fluid" and drunk it, then you might have a point.
I hope her parents don't hear that some anonymous people , hiding behind their computer anonymity thinks that their daughter contributed to her own fate in the way you are suggesting. She is very lucky to be alive by the way, and we should also thank the medics for that.
Perhaps you should keep your feelings and assumptions to yourself perhaps?
I assume you're not a teenager so perhaps just chalk it down to a difference of opinions eh?
Nobody can be this stuipid surely?
D'oh - If she had a clue what she was drinking and knew what it would do, she wouldn't have drunk it. Would any of us go down to the local and expect to be sold (or given) a toxic, lethal drink?
In the way that you are keeping your assumptions to yourself you mean?Perhaps you should keep your feelings and assumptions to yourself perhaps?
I assume you're not a teenager so perhaps just chalk it down to a difference of opinions eh?
Even if I was a teenager, why would that preclude me from the conversation?
This makes absolutely no sense. Dave is the one that seems to be blaming Heston because he used liquid Nitrogen in the preparation of some foods. He NEVER used it as an ingredient in his food. There's amassive difference. But whatever.....
Yes of course there is a big difference in preparation and consumption, but the point here is that if you introduce a lethal chemical in to the food and drink arena, in any part of the process, you run the risk that somebody further down the line than you, and with less training will use it in an unsafe situation.
I agree that too many people are ready to blame everybody else, and take no responsibility for their own actions, but this is clearly not such a situation.
But you know that really I am sure.
Before we can blame the girl or say horrible things like "she deserves what she got for being stupid" you have to establish the facts firstly all business's have to ensure what they are selling is fit and safe for public use/consumption. It's not your fault if the brand new car you just bought catches fire and you're badly burnt, you can use the argument of how stupid you must be to think that you could fill a car with highly flammable petrol and not have it blow up in your face?
Lets get some perspective.
18 year old out with her mates if she bought the drink her self or some one bought it for her, if shes a top uk chemist or a high school drop out non of it matters it's all totally irrelevant because in all honesty the drink should have been safe. The bar has the ultimate responsibility to ensure that drink will not cause her harm. If some one puts it in a glass and says 'hey this is safe and good to drink' then you cannot blame the person drinking it for the harm done you can only blame the person who said it was safe.
You also need to consider the reasons for the liquid nitrogen being present in the drink, on investigation some bars use it to flash freeze the glasses other to cool the spirits to enhance the flavours and some use it for its smoky effect, not a single news report says what the cocktail consisted of.
Finally we don't know the reasons for her needing a total gastectomy, did the drink freeze and damage the stomach causing it to perforate or did the expanding gas from the release nitrogen cause it to rupture, given our amazing ability to get rid of unwanted gas I suspect the former rather than the latter.
When you're 18 you're almost entitled to do stupid things, teenagers do far worse killing them selves at the wheel of a car 2 days after getting their licence, what do we do ban young drivers? Ban driving? Maybe we should ban being a teenager? However because she's young and its a life changing thing to have a total gastectomy the news have made a ridiculous deal about it all 1 cocktail 1 girl 1 horrible injury. This is one girl who had one drink which yes didn't turn out well but she survived it, and if it results in better control then that's not a bad thing?
Note how the papers and news reports don't make such a big deal about the 9000 deaths in the uk each year as a direct result of alcohol consumption? Funny how no one cares about that but ooh wow an 18 year old girl and some liquid nitrogen and suddenly everyone's turned 'daily mail reporter' in terms of outrage.
As a final point on my 18th birthday I wound up sleeping in the middle of a car park with a glass of water and a puddle of sick (several puddles in fact) so I can't say in all honesty she's been any more stupid than I was at that age
Lets get some perspective.
18 year old out with her mates if she bought the drink her self or some one bought it for her, if shes a top uk chemist or a high school drop out non of it matters it's all totally irrelevant because in all honesty the drink should have been safe. The bar has the ultimate responsibility to ensure that drink will not cause her harm. If some one puts it in a glass and says 'hey this is safe and good to drink' then you cannot blame the person drinking it for the harm done you can only blame the person who said it was safe.
You also need to consider the reasons for the liquid nitrogen being present in the drink, on investigation some bars use it to flash freeze the glasses other to cool the spirits to enhance the flavours and some use it for its smoky effect, not a single news report says what the cocktail consisted of.
Finally we don't know the reasons for her needing a total gastectomy, did the drink freeze and damage the stomach causing it to perforate or did the expanding gas from the release nitrogen cause it to rupture, given our amazing ability to get rid of unwanted gas I suspect the former rather than the latter.
When you're 18 you're almost entitled to do stupid things, teenagers do far worse killing them selves at the wheel of a car 2 days after getting their licence, what do we do ban young drivers? Ban driving? Maybe we should ban being a teenager? However because she's young and its a life changing thing to have a total gastectomy the news have made a ridiculous deal about it all 1 cocktail 1 girl 1 horrible injury. This is one girl who had one drink which yes didn't turn out well but she survived it, and if it results in better control then that's not a bad thing?
Note how the papers and news reports don't make such a big deal about the 9000 deaths in the uk each year as a direct result of alcohol consumption? Funny how no one cares about that but ooh wow an 18 year old girl and some liquid nitrogen and suddenly everyone's turned 'daily mail reporter' in terms of outrage.
As a final point on my 18th birthday I wound up sleeping in the middle of a car park with a glass of water and a puddle of sick (several puddles in fact) so I can't say in all honesty she's been any more stupid than I was at that age
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there you go with your putting words into other peoples mouths. put the post back into its context and read what it was a reply too, before you bore us all to death
you can have a different option as long as its different to some thing that actually exists
