Technical Induction options for 100HP?

[Fiat_N_Fast]

So whats the induction options (kit or panel) for the 100HP..... please do not say K&N I would rather use the original setup.

I'm hoping Green filters, ITG ot other have done something.......... Demon tweaks are not that interested to reply e:mails

I've seen on here an induction pointing in a downwards action, not exactly the cleanest and quality air to have.

So what options are there?

 

[ScoobyChris]

As far as panel filters go, I'd avoid Green as they're worse made than K&N, fit poorly in the air box and rust, all imhe. ITG aren't really any better, but I've only ever run one of their panel filters to base my experience on. Pipercross may be worth a look as they make a dry foam filter for VAG cars which doesn't require any oiling.

Other option is GSR induction kit but I've no direct experience with them. Certainly a pricier option....

Chris

 

[kryten14]

What about the BMC air filter? I've thought about getting one of these myself, are they any good?

 

[Oldschool]

I've seen on here an induction pointing in a downwards action, not exactly the cleanest and quality air to have.

?

 

[Fiat_N_Fast]

?

Dirty air is known to be worse at ground level, cooler and cleaner air comes from behind the bonnet area at slam panel level....... or higher, this in turn returns a better quality performance.

 

[Oldschool]

Did you read this in max power?

 

[ScoobyChris]

Dirty air is known to be worse at ground level, cooler and cleaner air comes from behind the bonnet area at slam panel level....... or higher, this in turn returns a better quality performance.

Although the coolest air will be as close to the ground as you can go - hot air is less dense and rises above cooler more dense air. Air that's been drawn across the bonnet will have been heated won't it? I have no idea on the "dirtyness" of air, but I'm guessing that that's what the filter is designed to remove before it gets to the engine? Be interested if you have a source for this info.....

Chris

 

[hp_source]

I think/guess the 'dirtyness' of the air is relating to the flow, the more exposed the filter is the more it'll be affected by speed/wind etc giving a more turbulent airflow. I would imagine the effect of this is fairly small though as the engine draws the air rather than relying on the air being blown in.

To add to the panel filter side of the discussion, I used a BMC panel in my last car (yaris t-sport) and didn't really see/feel any improvements in any area other than induction roar.

 

[Fiat_N_Fast]

Although the coolest air will be as close to the ground as you can go - hot air is less dense and rises above cooler more dense air. Air that's been drawn across the bonnet will have been heated won't it? I have no idea on the "dirtyness" of air, but I'm guessing that that's what the filter is designed to remove before it gets to the engine? Be interested if you have a source for this info.....

Chris

Chris, your inital thoughts are correct.

Hot air is indeed less dense that cold air, when the air warms its density reduces allowing there to be a increase in flow, but the density of the air helps cars to keep cool and with the correct setup operate at a more optimum performance.

Think more 'air quality' than air flow.

Take into consideration also that road/track temps are always greater than air temps so the air quality could be reduced.

Having the induction mounted (at say slam panel height) offers less heat exchange to pass and a better quality of air to enter the induction chamber, which in turn makes better performance for the setup.

Considering how dirty & wet uk roads are (depending on where you live),to mount the filter a ground level... Not only heat, but extra dirt and grime combined with large puddles is a prelude to ..........

If there is no other way to mount the filter with a cold air feed then thats the choice I, or others have to make. But I would hope a short air feed could be developed.

It would be interesting to know the micron ratings of the filters people are using.

 

[John R Smith]

Air temperature, as it rises, reduces charge density. So yes, the cooler the air drawn in to the induction side of the engine, the better. But the best we can do is draw air in at ambient temperature, whatever that may be - cooler in winter, hotter in summer. Unless we cut a hole in the bonnet and have our induction hose sticking out in the slipstream, we have to make do with pickup somewhere in an enclosed, hot space. (On my old Spartan I had a big airscoop mounted on the side of the bonnet feeding two Strombergs, and it worked very well). The further you can get your induction hose and air box away from hot things - radiators, exhaust manifolds and catalysers - the better. So in practice, on the Panda and the 500, you are pretty much stuffed with pointing it down on the N/S front, somewhere below the battery.

The problem of heat transfer may not be as big as you think, anyhow, provided that we are talking about max rpm and full throttle. The 1.4 engine will use around 4,000 litres of air per minute at 6,000 rpm (less some pumping losses) and at that rate of flow the incoming air doesn't get much chance to pick up heat.

John

 

[dave]

oh great, another one of them threads where the op wants to answer his own questions, rather than take the advive of people who have spent 99% of their time over the last few years deleloping induction kits

 

[ChrisUK]

Dirty air is known to be worse at ground level, cooler and cleaner air comes from behind the bonnet area at slam panel level....... or higher, this in turn returns a better quality performance.

thats one of the most stupid / funniest things I've read in a longtime, I was amused by it though... Thanks for posting it .

 

[Fiat_N_Fast]

oh great, another one of them threads where the op wants to answer his own questions, rather than take the advive of people who have spent 99% of their time over the last few years deleloping induction kits

I simply answered the "?" that was asked of me. I am interested in finding a relevant panel filter upgrade...... or even an induction kit so the choice so far is ......

K&N Panel or Induction
BMC Panel
Pipercross Panel


please add any other brands to the list (for the 100hp) so i can do some research of there micron ratings and bring some technical stats for review.

 

[ChrisUK]

I simply answered the "?" that was asked of me. I am interested in finding a relevant panel filter upgrade...... or even an induction kit so the choice so far is ......

K&N Panel or Induction
BMC Panel
Pipercross Panel


please add any other brands to the list (for the 100hp) so i can do some research of there micron ratings and bring some technical stats for review.

Go home.

 

[PNL]

I simply answered the "?" that was asked of me. I am interested in finding a relevant panel filter upgrade...... or even an induction kit so the choice so far is ......

K&N Panel or Induction
BMC Panel
Pipercross Panel


please add any other brands to the list (for the 100hp) so i can do some research of there micron ratings and bring some technical stats for review.

I would be interested to see what you come up with and always have an open mind when these things are being discussed shame others dont see it that way on here..

 

[ChrisUK]

I would be interested to see what you come up with and always have an open mind when these things are being discussed shame others dont see it that way on here..

Why does it matter what the micron ratings are?. Obviously the Pipercross is the worst as there sponge. After a years worth of use the inside of the intake tract was laden with fine dirt.

 

[PNL]

Why does it matter what the micron ratings are?. Obviously the Pipercross is the worst as there sponge. After a years worth of use the inside of the intake tract was laden with fine dirt.

Yes you are correct in your assumption..

 

[Fiat_N_Fast]

Does anyone have a spare fiat 1400cc filter kicking around i can borrow so i can send it to my friend who is consultant for automotive/industrial filtration?

 

[j6pkp]

i didn't know that pipercross did a panel filter for the 100hp?

 

[Chinky_500]

There is a Novitec Maxxair kit available and it sounds great :worship: