I gonna vote for my dad
His party is pretty cr*p lol but least it keeps me in the good books when I need to borrow money
His party is pretty cr*p lol but least it keeps me in the good books when I need to borrow money
Good choice. At least he won't be fiddling his expenses. He's dead.Screaming Lord Sutch and his Monster Raving Looney Party
Vote Green; ban cars. If you don't mind me saying that's not a particularly clever method of tactical voting for someone on a car forum.If I'm honest last time I voted Green party...because they didn't have a snowball in hells chance of getting in...couldn't actually being myself to vote for any of the major parties...and there was no way on gods green earth I was chucking my vote in with the BNP or UKIP.
Principalled, but ultimately futile.I intend to spoil my vote
Must admit to being a bit confused here as to which party you are talking about.they will cut all the services sell off all our assets
devalue the coin more
change it to euro
remove all your churches
they will privatise the fire engines and such
they will close the pits
remove the unions
crush all manual labour jobs
erect sky scrapers
and remove milk from schools
and give half of the uk to the french for the 100 year war
all we will do is work on coputers shifting money around
and welding will have conpulsary certificates
imports will increase
The bizzarre comparison between this recession and the last, is that it startedCheck their track record in the 1990's. They caused the last recession
I'll vote tactically. Have to see what the pre-election polls say to see who's going to get my vote. It definitely won't be Tory and will unlikely be Labour. Or as I'm hoping to emigrate in the next few years perhaps I'll simply put "You're all useless" on the ballot paper.
John major was ace.
As for emigrating, that's the spirit. F**k off and leave the rest of us in the s**t. That certainly brings a new meaning to the phrase Tactical Voting.
It's been a lack of principles in government and the other political parties that has led me to this decision.G
Principalled, but ultimately futile.
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Vote Green; ban cars. If you don't mind me saying that's not a particularly clever method of tactical voting for someone on a car forum.
As Chancellor of the Exchequer, Gordon Brown sold off the majority of the UKsthey will cut all the services sell off all our assets
devalue the coin more
change it to euro
remove all your churches
they will privatise the fire engines and such
they will close the pits
remove the unions
crush all manual labour jobs
erect sky scrapers
and remove milk from schools
and give half of the uk to the french for the 100 year war
all we will do is work on coputers shifting money around
and welding will have conpulsary certificates
imports will increase
People like you are useless.....unless, any chance of a cheap holiday? We're very clean.Wise man say "Man who stay on sinking ship drowns."
"Rat", "Sinking ship" and "Deserting".
Chas says "Squeak"!
*Goes to book one way ticket out of the UK*
Get real. If the Conservatives caused the last one, then Labour caused this one. Except they say they didn't, so they must be right. It's obviously somebody else's fault.That's not what the country thought of him when he and his party lost to Labour in one of the biggest landslide victories since WW2!
Either that or you like recessions
As Chancellor of the Exchequer, Gordon Brown sold off the majority of the UKs
gold reserve for a rediculously low price just a few months before it went up so much in value as to have cost this country billions.
The last big currency devaluation was under Harold Wilson and James Callaghan. Under John Major, they tried to join the European Exchange Rate Mechanism, and failed. At the time of Labour's devaluation, the £ was worth $2.50, afterwards it was worth $1.50
The Tories and UKIP are the two parties least likely to take us into the Euro.
Churches close because nobody goes to them. Incidentally, it's under this Government that the dis-establishment of the Church of England has never been closer, not the Tories.
Not quite sure how you privatise the Fire Engines. Oh yes, I know. The Fire Brigades will charge for everything they do short of an emergency, such as fire safety checks at companies and training staff. Even airport fire brigades charge airlines to train cabin crew how to deal with an emergency on an aircraft involving a fire. They didn't do that prior to New Labour.
Maybe you're too young to remember, but almost nobody wanted the coal those pits produced yet the left wanted to save them. At the same time the left was moaning about acid rain produced by coal fired power stations. The only way you could have both would be for everyone else to pay the wages of the miners for producing nothing. In the past, ships ran on coal, trains ran on coal, people heated their houses with coal; but none of them by the time of the miners' strike.
Margaret Thatcher must be very envious of the way New Labour have finished off the job on the Unions that she began.
As for crushing manual labour jobs, notice how they saved the banks (with reference to your later comment) but ignored LDV and almost every aspect of British manufacturing and engineering that this country was founded on. Witness the following: Rover, Leyland trucks, ERF Trucks, Foden Trucks, Volvo (Leyland) bus. Ford no longer make any cars here; or trucks, in fact even most of the Transit vans are made in Turkey. Remember, Blair intervenedto get Corus/British Steel taken over by an Indian company against the wishes of the European Union, nothing to do with the owner of that company being a major benefactor of the Labour Party of course. Corus are in the process of laying off 2,000 people in Redcar, a part of the country that can least afford the job losses. Can anyone tell me what has happened to Redpath Dorman Long or Smith Dock who were responsible for designing an building the Corvette warships that kept the convoys running in WWII? What about Cleveland Bridge who built the Sydney Harbour Bridge? Thatcher's Government
were responsible for bringing Honda, Toyota, Sharp, Sony, Toshiba and Pioneer manufacturing here not to mention keeping Rover afloat through association with British Aerospace, Honda and BMW. Yet under this mob, gone. This Government wants to destroy engineering and manufacturing and have everybody in office jobs and let others build things. I think they've been listening to Donald Fagin (Steely Dan) who wrote .....
....."we'll be eternally young,
we'll be eternally clean....."
In other words nobody will do any manual work. my brother joined British Aerospace in 1977, the last year the company took on apprentices at that plant. Remember who the Government was then. One of the main reasons was that the Unions didn't want them.
Skyscrapers were built under both the Conservatives and Labour, with most council tower blocks built under Labour because of "trendy" architects and "Social Thinkers".
Free school milk I'll give you. Yup the Tories got rid of that. Except that my memories of that were that in Winter it was frozen and in Summer it used to be left out in the Sun until it was almost curdled. I detested the stuff. In fact most of the kids I went to school with wouldn't drink it. Remember also, there was only full fat milk, which would be a major cause of childhood obesity.
I don't know what you mean about the 100 years war, but can I point out that this Government has not only allowed Eon, a German company take over a major British power producer, but also EDF, a French company, which in addition to being a major producer of power in this country has recently been sold the majority stake in present and future nuclear power generation in the UK. And before you say there's nothing they could do about it, British companies have been thwarted left, right and centre when trying to buy French telecoms companies. In one case the French Government refused to sell its stake in a French company in defiance of EU rules despite the fact that BT was sold off (EU rules) nearly 20 years ago. Don't forget, when talking of past transgressions, it was Tony Blair who apologised on our behalf for our role in slavery, despite the fact that the Romans and Egyptians beat us to the trade by about 2000 years and we outlawed the practice before any other major nation, over 200 years ago. Possibly British oranised labour's finest hour was siding with the Union against the Confederate states in the American Civil War incurring considerable personal hardship for thousands of cotton workers in Lancashire and Manchester. Hence the statue of Abraham Lincoln in Manchester, sent as a thank you.
So, let's see. The biggest devaluation of currency was under Labour in the early '70s. The biggest loss in selling off the "Family Silver" was when Brown undervalued gold hideously and lost billions.
It was Labour who tried to get us into the Euro by the back door - and failed.
It's Labour who want to dis-establish the Church and give more prominence to other faiths like Islam.
It's Labour who've made Fire Brigades charge for all work they do short of put out fires.
True it was the Tories who closed many of the pits that produced something that hardly anybody wanted.
Labour have virtually finished off the job on the Unions that the Tories started.
The biggest drop in manufacturing has occurred under New Labour.
Both major parties were involved in building sky scrapers for council accomodation, but Labour built more.
The Tories did get rid of school milk, but hardly anyone liked it anyway.
Then there's the wholesale sell off of British domestic power generation which has mostly gone to the German company Eon and the French company EDF. Oops, almost forgot Peugeot closing its plant in Ryton near Coventry and, oh yes, GEC who made everything from guided missiles to traffic light controls systems to electricity sub stations to telephone systems. Did I mention GEC locomotives? The whole company was sold to the French Alsthom company. Who in fairly short order closed down most of the factories and moved much of the production to France. Allowing a train maker to be bought by a foreign company just before the biggest growth in train companies in almost a century? I would say this Government wants manufacturing jobs to go abroad.
Mind you they've got the pick of the bunch now up in Teesside. They're taking all the hazardous and toxic components from a defunct French Aircraft Carrier.
As Chancellor of the Exchequer, Gordon Brown sold off the majority of the UKs
gold reserve for a rediculously low price just a few months before it went up so much in value as to have cost this country billions.
The last big currency devaluation was under Harold Wilson and James Callaghan. Under John Major, they tried to join the European Exchange Rate Mechanism, and failed. At the time of Labour's devaluation, the £ was worth $2.50, afterwards it was worth $1.50
The Tories and UKIP are the two parties least likely to take us into the Euro.
Churches close because nobody goes to them. Incidentally, it's under this Government that the dis-establishment of the Church of England has never been closer, not the Tories.
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Get real. If the Conservatives caused the last one, then Labour caused this one. Except they say they didn't, so they must be right. It's obviously somebody else's fault.
I don't think that if Winston Churchill, Benjamin Disraeli, William Gladstone and Nye Bevin were elected at the next General Election they would suddenly cure all the country's ills.A lot of your points can be debated and argued contrarily Mr. Beard, which would make this a typical political debate whereby both sides argue endlessly whilst finding mud to sling at the opposition. For everything Labour has done wrong you can find something the Tories did equally wrong. Likewise, for every good policy (there are some!) the same will also ring true.
I can guarantee you this though, if the Tories get in you'll find that after a decade in power people will be blaming them for everything that is wrong with the country and declaring them useless. The opposition party will suddenly look like the perfect answer to all the country's ills, much like Labour appeared in 1997. This power shift yin and yang in politics will go on ad infinitum, with each successive Government going from being the popular party to the scum of the earth who've achieved nothing whilst being blamed for everything that is wrong. This scenario is about the only reliable and consistent theme in democratic politics.
The last recession wasn't on such a global scale and Britain was both more self contained AND had more homegrown industry and manufacturing, yet under the Tories 11 years in power it still wasn't able to stave off a recession. We can also argue that the Tories should have been able to stave off the stock market crash (Black Monday) of 1987, the house market crash of the 1990's, interest rates and inflation going sky high and the subsequent massive rise in unemployment (touching 4 million). In fact if I remember rightly it was the biggest rise in unemployment since WW2.
But do you know what? Despite leaning to the left of politics, had Labour been in power I doubt if anything would be much different. Economies tend to run in cycles and the saying "The higher they are the further they fall" rings very true after a decade of prosperity and booming economy.
So my summing up is this: If you believe that voting in another Government will suddenly cure all the country's ills and problems then you are very much mistaken.
I think you'll find the Tories were in Government for 18 years not 11.
The Conservatives got in because they were a radically different proposition to the Wilson/Callaghan/Foot version of Labour who had gone before. So the New Labour of Blair et al were radically different from the by then tired Major Government. I voted for them matey.
What have I done? What have I done?
I wont be voting for anyone, I dont know enough about any of the parties to make an informed decision.