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Firstly the COST comparison was between 1.2 Stilo and JTD, performance has FCUK all to do with it! Cost comparison, read it again, cost comparison! Not performance comparision... C...O...S...T...

Then my mpg drops to 30, err, i know what i get from a tank of fuel, the tank average from the Trip is spot on, i've calculated it myself and confirm it. Are you going to say now that the trip computer is more accurate on the JTD that any other model, clearly a component which is shared between every model, Abarth excluded!

75k the petrol is over the hill, nope, i did 160,000 in a 1.3 petrol and it was still running like a dream! It was the bodywork that scapped the car.

The diesel costs a hell of a lot more than the petrol, i'd bl00dy expect it to be worth more come resale, but this doesn't mean you've saved any money. So you pay £3k more minimum for your JTD, if its not worth £3k more come resale then you've saved NOTHING!

I did 600 miles in one weekend (when the car was new and not fully run in), mainly motorway, 4 passengers, full boot, 49.5 mpg average! One tank! Yep clearly fuel economy was utterly ****e! never dropped below 70mph, often doing 80mph.

I was under the impression that all Stilo models had a 12,000 mile service interval. Diesel's cost more to service. Oh and need the fuel filter emptied every 6000 miles in accordance with the service guide.

The diesel will need to go for 200,000 miles plus in your own ownership before you ACTUALLY save any money.

Insurance i DO believe you'll find is grp 4 for the 1.2 all other models are 5 or above.


Jesus, this is getting so boring. Maybe you should read some books, magazines, do some web research yourself. How about maybe even just checking your owners manual! I'm sure Stu has scanned enough copies of pages for this site that even if you don't want to read your manual you can read it on the webpage!

Rather than slagging others who unlike your good self, don't just make up your own Stats.... the self same stats that contribute to 99% of stats being useless!

The reputation points system for this site clearly doesn't work, or when folk put an evenings worth of work together for it to be constant blasted by folk who just pluck reasons for it not being correct out of thin air, with no evidence/research of their own.

How about this for a nice change, actually stop next time your about to type a reply, and read the entire post first!
 
The lack of complexity of a diesel engine electronically means that you're a lot more likely to have problems with the electrics on a petrol engine.

Lack of complexity? most modern diesels are a lot more complex than petrols particularly when the majority of them run turbochargers.
 
I always read your posts....!!

It was you who quoted 36k to get your money back before! *RAC* I will try to find it.
 
StiloBoy said:
Firstly the COST comparison was between 1.2 Stilo and JTD, performance has FCUK all to do with it! Cost comparison, read it again, cost comparison! Not performance comparision... C...O...S...T...

So your comparrison is meaningless :rolleyes:

Disraili quoted 'There are lies, damned lies and statistics' and the process you go through, proves this statement to be true. To make a valid comparrison you have to include all possible parameters, any that are neglected make the process a waste of time and effort.

I did statistics at college as part of A-level (mathematics and stats) and if I presented such piece of work to explain the diesel v petrol argument I would have come away with 2 wasted years...

A short while ago I tried to statistically prove the Ferrari Enzo is a better car than the Daewoo Matiz but as the only factor I was willing to take into account was the engine mounted in the front is a better place than the middle, I concluded the Ferrari to be a monumental pile of junk. It serves no purpose and is therefore soundly thrashed by the Matiz in any and every possible way :p
 
I initially mentioned some time ago that RAC quoted something like 36,000 miles. Then a saw a more up to date calculation on Top Gear. I used Top Gear's calculations to apply to the cost effectiveness of the 1.2 versus the JTD! I expected myself that the JTD would work out a better deal, eventually, but i didn't expect the massive milage that was the final result. In fact i checked my calculations twice!

Its called listening to the "experts" checking for yourself and learning from it.... rather than touting yourself as THE expert.

As for the comparision being meaningless! I can't see how? Both cars look identical, if you buy the JTD 80 then you've got a car only marginally faster, more economic but also much more expensive. I think you'll find your average Joe Public is more interested in a nice car that doesn't cost the earth to run, rather than the 18 year old 0-60 obsessives you often find on Car based chat forums!
 
I've just looked at the fiat uk oficial page and as far as i can see they no longer sell either the 1.2 or the 80bhp JTD so what's all this discussion about???

Anyway, i must say that even though it does take a bit more than 34k to compensate the difference in price between a diesel and a petrol it certainly doesn't taake 200k!!!

When i bought my multijet, i compared it with the 1.8 (they have aproximately the same power) and it didn't that long to compenste the price differrence, i calculated it in 90.000km which i belive is in the 70.000ish miles range.

As for the comparison, maybe between the multijet and the 1.8 there might not be that much of a difference but between the 1.2 and the JTD 80, you can really feel the difference cause you have to push the 1.2 prettey hard to get the JTDs performance.

In the end, it all boils down to 2 fact; 1. If u don't mind the crappy noise of a diesel and the fact that you can't take it above 5000revs the JTD is a better engine then the 1.2. 2.the price difference will compensate unless u plan to get rid of the car quite quickly so all one has to decide is if they can afford that price difference at the time one buys the car.

I wasn't planing for this to b so long but anyway, this is my opinion!
 
I don't think they ever released the 80BHP diesel over here. Probably only got released in Switzerland where they like things slow thats why their public transport's so good lol :D
 
Oh I wasn't saying you were lying it's just that in the original Stilo brochure they had;nt released it it just said release date TBC (to be concieved). But thanks for clearing that up just go's to show what I know lol! :D
 
It was only on the market for a short period of time (about 12 months). It was the Active specification and you could get very few options with it (no A/C for example).

Just to put the cat amongst the pigeons, I thought it was only about £1,000 more than the 1.2 16v, most of which (if not all) would be recovered at trade-in (y)
 
StiloBoy said:
Unlike all the Stilo experts in this part of the forum who hmm..... don't own a Stilo.

But do have the ability to listen and learn, along with utilising knowledge elsewhere on subjects (that are not exclusive to one car) in order to develop an informed opinion :)
 
JTD Monkey said:
But do have the ability to listen and learn, along with utilising knowledge elsewhere on subjects (that are not exclusive to one car) in order to develop an informed opinion :)
:confused: Listen and Learn ? Who the hell could that be ? :D
 
As mentioned elsewhere this discussion is pointless.

When I was looking to buy a Stilo I never considered the 1.2 and would certainly never consider the 1.4 now as I want more performance than either of those can provide.

By buying the JTD I can get that performance but at the same get decent economy.
For that reason comparing the JTD with the 1.2 petrol is pointless.

Do any of these discussions and calcualtions take into account what the car was actually bought for?
When I got mine the dealer knocked over £3k off the price.
Surely that will make a huge difference to the length of time it takes to recoup the extra costs?
I presume that a discount of that level will be unavailable on the 1.2 or 1.4 due to their lower list price.
Similarly would the 1.2 be specced up to the same level as the JTD when taking costs into account?

JTD Monkey. Are you now going to buy another quality Italian product instead of wasting your hard earned cash on an overpriced, unreliable piece of German rubbish? :D
 
I previously had a 2.8 td mitsubishi pajero, loadsa toys on it, loadsa room for me, the missus & 3 kids but cost over £60.00 to fill tank and got approximately 25 to the gallon, give or take and cost me over £500 to insure (i'm over 40 and have 65% ncb) and £165.00 to tax. I now have a 1.4 Stilo in metallic black, pre registered with 27 miles on the clock, down from £10,300 I paid £6999. The other day i looked at my mpg and it read 40.7 (admitted cruising between 60-80 on motorway, never out of 6th) it costs me just over £30 to fill my insurance is £230 and tax is £120. I admit that "Halle" (small, black & beautiful) ;) can run outta puff but i'm saving a small fortune in running costs and i'm happy as a pig in brown stuff :D & btw she looks gorgeous with her tinted windows & claw alloys (sad I know for someone over 40 but I dont care) :p
 
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