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500 (Classic) My 1971 Fiat 500 rebuild...

Introduction

Here is the start of my Fiat 500 rebuild thread. I bought the 500 in Italy in April and it arrived on May 2nd. It's a 1971 Fiat 500L...
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Within 5 minutes of it being on the driveway, the Giannini sunshade sticker was no more :) :)

The plan was to get it through an MOT ASAP, registration sent off and then I could drive whilst rebuilding it. Like most people on here, I'm doing this on evenings and weekends, so it's handy to be able have a roadworthy vehicle when you need to test something out.

Unfortunately, that didn't work as one of the first things I did was to jack it up and check out the front kingpins. There was tons of movement :( and a number of the bushes were perished, so I took the decision to redo all of the suspension for the MOT. This was on the plan anyway, along with fitting front discs brakes too, so I decided to do everything at the same time as it made sense, even if it would take longer.

So the stripping started. Mostly no problem, but the LHS front spring bush had fused to the bolt. Easily fixed with 1mm cutting disc :). Not so easy was the fused bush and bolt on the LHS rear swing arm inside pivot point. I could only cut through half of the bolt with the cutting disc, so the hacksaws were used for rest. I enjoyed that! :rolleyes:

The good news was I could start putting things back on...
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New kingpins with two grease nipples.

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New front discs that allow you to still use the original PCD of 4x190. The first brake line I tried to undo stripped the corners, so I ordered a new brake line kit along with a new master cylinder.

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All of the track rod end rubbers were perished and most of them had too much movement, so I decide to replace all of them. The steering box was leaking, so this was stripped and rebuilt with new gaskets and seals.

Naturally, I changed the brake pipe, fixed the horn, and tidied up the wiring while I was there. Seeing as I was doing all of this, it seemed like a good idea to tidy up under the hood too. The 500 needed a new battery, and previously the old one was simply wedged in against the front panel with a block of polystyrene :rolleyes: so this was sorted aswell. Although, I can't believe how long it took me to just secure battery...
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The rear took longer a lot longer than the front, mainly due to cleaning, stripping and painting the swing arms, hubs etc...
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All was going back together well, and I found the best way to get the swing arms back in with all of the spacers in the correct place was to do the inside pivot point first...

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Just one issue, in my rush to order all of the parts I ordered the wrong rear brake cylinders. I ordered the first one listed here...
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It turns out that I misread the product description, and due to formatting it actually reads Fiat 500 Giardiniera/...
not
Fiat 500
Giardiniera/....

So I have a rear cylinder that fits the backing plate, but is too wide and so the pistons stop the pads coming in enough for you to fit the drum...
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Doh!! So I need to order some new cylinders of the correct size, so that I can finish up and get it MOT'd before I can finish rest of rebuild.

It seems like it's taking an age, but I suppose it's not too bad for a month in.

cheers, Steve :)
Ian, I did this recently with a car which has always been UK registered but had been off the road for years.
DVLA need originals of everything and although I read scare-stories, at the end of the day they were really good and sent it all back.
Even though I had a green logbook they still required verification from the Fiat 500 Club that this really was the genuine article. The club had to have photos of the chassis pate and views of all sides and the interior.
 
Steve, could you tell me please who you contacted at Fiat to get date of first reg. I've received conflicting info regarding what to send to DVLA; a friend say they will return any docs sent but the importer has told me not to send anything of value to the history as he never gets them returned! I've got the Carta di Circulazione but obviously don't want to lose it! DVLA returned the application that I sent with photocopies of pages from the C di C so we know that won't work.

I'd appreciate your comments.

Ian

Hi Ian

You need to contact Mike Haveron, [email protected]. Aswell as VIN also send Mike your name and address details. He will check that he can get details for that VIN, and if yes, he'll ask you to make a bank transfer for £36 into Fiat U.K.'s account. Once payment is received he will send letter out. Should take a few days max.

As per Peter's post you need to send originals and they will return everything but the Italian registration document. So take a copy of this if you want to keep a copy as a permanent record.

cheers, Steve
 
Thank you both for your replies, and apologies for hijacking the thread.

I will contact Fiat as suggested. I had hoped that the certificate I have from ASI would suffice as proof of date of manufacture though. The only original I have is the blue/green Italian registration document; Steve do you mean they will keep that? This is the document I am most worried about losing and, as I wrote earlier, I've heard some horror stories about losses. If I, very reluctantly, sent that do you know if I would still need proof from Fiat?

Ian
 
Thank you both for your replies, and apologies for hijacking the thread.

I will contact Fiat as suggested. I had hoped that the certificate I have from ASI would suffice as proof of date of manufacture though. The only original I have is the blue/green Italian registration document; Steve do you mean they will keep that? This is the document I am most worried about losing and, as I wrote earlier, I've heard some horror stories about losses. If I, very reluctantly, sent that do you know if I would still need proof from Fiat?

Ian

Yes, they will keep the blue/green registration doc. You'll have to send that. What's in your ANNO IMMATRICOLAZIONE box? If it's clear you should have no problems. I'm only having issues as mine also has the Isernia registration date and they missed the year above.

cheers, Steve
 
Yes, they will keep the blue/green registration doc. You'll have to send that. What's in your ANNO IMMATRICOLAZIONE box? If it's clear you should have no problems. I'm only having issues as mine also has the Isernia registration date and they missed the year above.

cheers, Steve

Steve,
I'm sorry to be a pain and you must think I'm super thick!
My document is a lot different from the one you pictured, maybe because my car is from earlier, my 72 L had a document like yours. The picture shows the book I don't want to loose and, through trial, I know they won't accept copies of pages from this. Will they accept the certificate from ASI. With or without papers from Fiat UK? There is nothing written in the Anno Immatricolazione box.
Cheers, Ian
 

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As you have nothing in the 'AI' box, I know that you'll need to prove date of manufacture. They may accept the ASI certification, however, a belt & braces approach would be to add the letter from Fiat too.

As for not sending in your reg docs, I really have no idea what your likely hood of success is. I suspect Mike at Fiat may have an educated guess based on his experience. He's very approachable, as he asked me to call to check details of my application to make sure he could assist. Personally I would give him a call. His number is 01753519501.

I hope this helps

Steve
 
Steve, thanks for all your help on this, I'll call him tomorrow and ask his opinion.
Sorry to have been such a pain now I'll let you get back to your thread.
Appreciate your comments and look forward to hopefully being able to return good advice sometime.
Cheers, Ian
 
Steve - did you fit spring pads when the rear suspension was rebuilt?
If so do the pads go at the bottom or top?
My car had no pads when I dismantled it.
 
Steve - did you fit spring pads when the rear suspension was rebuilt?
If so do the pads go at the bottom or top?
My car had no pads when I dismantled it.

Hi Andrew

I did. Strictly it wouldn't make a difference to handling as they are just there to minimise vibrations and noise transferring into the bodywork, but I fitted mine on the top as per factory standard. There are two pieces, rubber isolator and then a metal ring that seats the isolator and sits on the spring with a stop moulded in to sit level and stop it rotating.

It would make a difference to the height though. I should have measured them before fitting, but at a guess I'd say they make about an 8-10mm difference.

cheers, Steve
 
Thanks Steve
Is the rear ride height what you'd hoped for?
I have shortened springs and they drop it 35mm - I have both the items you mention - but ride height is important too....
 
Thanks - I will put them in and see what I think of the ride height.

How much shorter / reduced ride height offered , were your springs?
 
your car is beautiful. just began the work on my 71 500. tearing it down for metal work and body work. if I might ask would you be willing to help me out in the future with some photos for reassembly purposes. I'm sure some things will not seem right when I reassemble this car.
 
your car is beautiful. just began the work on my 71 500. tearing it down for metal work and body work. if I might ask would you be willing to help me out in the future with some photos for reassembly purposes. I'm sure some things will not seem right when I reassemble this car.

Sure, fire away when needed and hopefully we can help. :)

cheers, Steve
 
Progress has been really slow lately, a combination of busy weekends and being bogged down with painting. It's exasperating when it takes almost a whole evening masking up to paint the dash. :rolleyes:

Before the painting started, I did get time to re-wire the engine bay. Starting with the new ecu...

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Then adjusting wiring for the alternator, and adding the tacho and pressure sensor feeds...

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I just need to remote mount the pressure switch and senders and then I'm all done and ready for engine and gearbox going back in. Before I can do that though, I'll have more painting to do :rolleyes: as I need to touch up the sections on the rear cross member where the lusso bars were fitted to.

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The headlining also needed changing out as the original had come away in section and was generally fraying at the edges. It had lasted well for 44 years though! It's a pain to remove though, as all the glue residue has to be removed and the replacement part was slightly smaller. More painting!!!

Painting the dash and the rear roof, did mean a complete interior strip out again. I say again as I'd removed most of this already to fit the seatbelts for the MOT. This time though, I had some time to take some photos of the floor pan. I'm not sure if this is the original factory sealing/sound deadening or not? ...

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cheers, Steve
 
What's that little box in the first picture Steve where the voltage regulator would normally go? Is it just a modern version of a VR that you are using as a junction to wire for the alternator?

Tony
 
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