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500 (Classic) My 1971 Fiat 500 rebuild...

Introduction

Here is the start of my Fiat 500 rebuild thread. I bought the 500 in Italy in April and it arrived on May 2nd. It's a 1971 Fiat 500L...
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Within 5 minutes of it being on the driveway, the Giannini sunshade sticker was no more :) :)

The plan was to get it through an MOT ASAP, registration sent off and then I could drive whilst rebuilding it. Like most people on here, I'm doing this on evenings and weekends, so it's handy to be able have a roadworthy vehicle when you need to test something out.

Unfortunately, that didn't work as one of the first things I did was to jack it up and check out the front kingpins. There was tons of movement :( and a number of the bushes were perished, so I took the decision to redo all of the suspension for the MOT. This was on the plan anyway, along with fitting front discs brakes too, so I decided to do everything at the same time as it made sense, even if it would take longer.

So the stripping started. Mostly no problem, but the LHS front spring bush had fused to the bolt. Easily fixed with 1mm cutting disc :). Not so easy was the fused bush and bolt on the LHS rear swing arm inside pivot point. I could only cut through half of the bolt with the cutting disc, so the hacksaws were used for rest. I enjoyed that! :rolleyes:

The good news was I could start putting things back on...
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New kingpins with two grease nipples.

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New front discs that allow you to still use the original PCD of 4x190. The first brake line I tried to undo stripped the corners, so I ordered a new brake line kit along with a new master cylinder.

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All of the track rod end rubbers were perished and most of them had too much movement, so I decide to replace all of them. The steering box was leaking, so this was stripped and rebuilt with new gaskets and seals.

Naturally, I changed the brake pipe, fixed the horn, and tidied up the wiring while I was there. Seeing as I was doing all of this, it seemed like a good idea to tidy up under the hood too. The 500 needed a new battery, and previously the old one was simply wedged in against the front panel with a block of polystyrene :rolleyes: so this was sorted aswell. Although, I can't believe how long it took me to just secure battery...
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The rear took longer a lot longer than the front, mainly due to cleaning, stripping and painting the swing arms, hubs etc...
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All was going back together well, and I found the best way to get the swing arms back in with all of the spacers in the correct place was to do the inside pivot point first...

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Just one issue, in my rush to order all of the parts I ordered the wrong rear brake cylinders. I ordered the first one listed here...
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It turns out that I misread the product description, and due to formatting it actually reads Fiat 500 Giardiniera/...
not
Fiat 500
Giardiniera/....

So I have a rear cylinder that fits the backing plate, but is too wide and so the pistons stop the pads coming in enough for you to fit the drum...
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Doh!! So I need to order some new cylinders of the correct size, so that I can finish up and get it MOT'd before I can finish rest of rebuild.

It seems like it's taking an age, but I suppose it's not too bad for a month in.

cheers, Steve :)
I have a pair of rear brake cylinders which are surplus to requirement--brand new, bought when I was collecting parts. When I got my car it already had brand new brake cylinders fitted. let me know if you want them.
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I have a pair of rear brake cylinders which are surplus to requirement--brand new, bought when I was collecting parts. When I got my car it already had brand new brake cylinders fitted. let me know if you want them.
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Thanks for the offer. I should have posted earlier before I ordered online with motorbambino. I have MOT booked for Thursday, so I'd like to get them done by then.

If they can't ship/don't have stock I'll PM.

Thanks again

Steve
 
Looks very smart Steve. New suspension and disc brakes look really nice. Which discs brakes did you buy in the end?

Keep the pics coming, a picture tells a thousand words as they say!!!

Tony
 
Very well done Steve--1st class effort (and result)--sadly you seem to have run into what a number of people have commented on, that a lot of the 'fully restored' cars from Italy aren't!---but then if you see some of the 500s that are still running over there you begin to understand--some of them wouldn't be allowed on the road over here!
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Very well done Steve--1st class effort (and result)--sadly you seem to have run into what a number of people have commented on, that a lot of the 'fully restored' cars from Italy aren't!---but then if you see some of the 500s that are still running over there you begin to understand--some of them wouldn't be allowed on the road over here!
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I know what you mean, some people are very loose with the term restoration, and you can't really tell from pics. Fortunately for this one, it was advertised sensibly, not as restored ;) and I saw it in person before buying. I haven't been disappointed on strip down too. Although I did see some horrors before this one.

cheers, Steve
 
So correct brake cylinders arrived, so I was able to finish rear brakes...
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The 500, being an import, has the seatbelt mounts, but no seatbelts. The plan was to order a set of inertia belts from a Fiat 500 specialist, so that it would come with brackets etc. That was a big mistake, as they came with no brackets and no spacers too.

I could have looked at sourcing a set of brackets, but I wasn't too enamoured with the iffy inertia operation and the plastic rivet used to hold the belt buckle was also too long for a fiat 500. Easily removed, but obviously leaves a hole in the belt and you'd have no retainer. So I decided to cut my loses and I ordered a pair of Securon 500/30's that I've used previously on Land Rovers. They came complete with the necessary brackets and spacers and the inertia reel is much better quality. Sorry I don't have pics, I'll post some up at the weekend, but there's nothing special to show.

Final thing for MOT was to trace a high beam warning light fault. I'd already eliminated the bulb and the holder, and as the high beams worked it had to be wiring in the vicinity of the dash. It turned out to be a fault with the PCB on the 500L dash. So rather than rig up a hash, I decided to bring forward the dashboard change and do it now. So I started by wiring the new dash...
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The dash just has the fuel and oil pressure warning lights, so I also needed to relocate lights for the high beam, lights, charge light and indicators. To do this I made up a small loom...
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As you can see in the pic, in standard form the dash has two mounting points on either side moulded to the dash. It requires you do drill two holes through the dash and bolt from the other side. Access is not good, especially when the tank is in situ, and I felt that if I ever needed to change a bulb it would be a right pain in the arse. So I decided to fit some M6 rivnuts to the underside of the dash and glued some high strength magnets to the top edge of the new dash. Then using only two bolts from underneath I could securely mount the dash...
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You can see the two bolts in this pic...
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And the new dash lights...
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Unfortunately, I had to use a different lamp for the charge light as the other type are earthed to the dash as part of their housing.

So hopefully everything is now ok for MOT tomorrow.
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Then to finish of dash I need to source an oil pressure sensor (any suggestions??), fit the tachometer feed when I swap out the engine and gearbox, tidy up and paint the dashboard and finally fit the knee pads/bumpers.

cheers, Steve
 
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Looking good Steve.
Where did you get that spacer for your radio? I need one as without it my radio wont fit in the dash properly.

Sorry Sean, I can't help with a source, I just made sure that I bought one with the plastic surround. The dimensions are 120mm wide, 55mm tall, 12mm deep, and side curves narrow to 9mm. Here are some pics...

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Hi Steve;
Like your instrument cluster---did it come 'covered' or did you do that as well yourself?
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I should have left the 'L' dash cover on :rolleyes:

I decided that as part of the rebuild and dash replacement, I was going to remove the dash cover. I knew that I'd need to repaint, but I also had to fix some rust spots too...

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Not bad at all, but there were pitted marks in quite a few places, so it ended up like this...

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I now have the fun of filling and painting.

cheers, Steve
 
I was hoping to get the reg docs back this week complete. Instead I got them back, but with a request to send back in with an additional for £230 for road tax.

It seems they ignored the registration date in the box on the form, missed the year of registration on the Italian docs and used the Provence registration date in 1984 instead, hence the request for road tax. I thought it looked straight forward...
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But, obviously the 71 didn't stand out enough compare to the IS reg date...
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So now, I've had to pay £36 to Fiat for proof of manufacture date (very good service from Mike btw :) ) and probably lose another 2-3 weeks before I can drive it again. :rolleyes:
 
So now, I've had to pay £36 to Fiat for proof of manufacture date (very good service from Mike btw :) ) and probably lose another 2-3 weeks before I can drive it again. :rolleyes:

Steve, could you tell me please who you contacted at Fiat to get date of first reg. I've received conflicting info regarding what to send to DVLA; a friend say they will return any docs sent but the importer has told me not to send anything of value to the history as he never gets them returned! I've got the Carta di Circulazione but obviously don't want to lose it! DVLA returned the application that I sent with photocopies of pages from the C di C so we know that won't work.

I'd appreciate your comments.

Ian
 
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