Technical How to recognise stop-start

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Technical How to recognise stop-start

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My daughter just bought her first, second hand, fiat 500 it's from 2013. We knew when we bought it that the battery was on its last legs so decided that we will replace it. I believe that when you have stop/start technology: you should buy a higher-capacity battery.

The question: how do we determine 100% if this car has / hasn't got Stop/Start technology built in?

Thank you!
 
Have a look at the negative bat terminal there should be a "block" attached with a thin wire to it, that's the ss sensor
As far as I know it will have ss
Try Tayna batteries or the batterymegastore for a new one, also check replace the engine earth strap to gearbox
 
Have a look at the negative bat terminal there should be a "block" attached with a thin wire to it, that's the ss sensor
As far as I know it will have ss
Try Tayna batteries or the batterymegastore for a new one, also check replace the engine earth strap to gearbox
Thanks @John202020 for your quick reply.

You wouldn't happen to have a picture of this, would you? My daughter is not that technical :) Is there any way to recognise it from inside the cabin? Does it have on/off buttons (we can't find them)
 
If it has Stop/Start, there should be a button on the dash to switch it off. (Defaults to on at each engine start)
Centre of the heater panel is a little round grille, flanked by a few buttons or blanks. Bottom left might have an 'S' with two circular arrows around it. The handbook should explain the system. If you don't have a handbook, look in the Downloads section.
 
If it has Stop/Start, there should be a button on the dash to switch it off. (Defaults to on at each engine start)
Centre of the heater panel is a little round grille, flanked by a few buttons or blanks. Bottom left might have an 'S' with two circular arrows around it. The handbook should explain the system. If you don't have a handbook, look in the Downloads section.
Thank you! S button has been located!
 
Think, check, this is the correct one
 
Thanks @John202020 for your quick reply.

You wouldn't happen to have a picture of this, would you? My daughter is not that technical :) Is there any way to recognise it from inside the cabin? Does it have on/off buttons (we can't find them)
I put a GUIDE on the forum for this...

I will try and add a link

 
Got to be honest with you the fiat system is one of the most(i was going to say unreliable! but i will modify that to)ERATIC! by which i mean it seems to be in the lap of the gods!, which way the wind is blowing!,or what you had for breakfast!, as to if the system feels like working!.

I had many many months of problems with it not working at all!,I tried changing many parts! such as plugs, leads, coil pack,throttle body, map sensor! the list goes on all to no avail! all the time this was happening not one fault code showed up the only other problem i had throughout this time was a slightly lumpy tick-over! in the end more by luck than judgement i swapped out the fuel injectors !this cured the tick-over issue! then a couple of days later the stop start kicked in and it has been working ever since(touch wood!).

my idea is that the lumpy idle/misfire was not enough to set a fault code! but was enough outside the engine ecu expected values to make the stop/start system to think "hang on a minute something might be wrong here!?" and therefore not kick in!, to be honest imo fiat over complicated the system by giving it far to many things to monitor and keep within values , meaning if the slightest value is even slightly "OFF" it defaults to not working! virtually everybody just turns it off and does not bother with it!.
 
If it has Stop/Start, there should be a button on the dash to switch it off. (Defaults to on at each engine start)
If it's a 2013 car (like mine) the Stop/Start will likely remain off until the next time the button is pressed, regardless of whether the car has been turned off. Look for a yellow S/S light at top right on the display - if S/S is switched off it will illuminate and stay on.

I'd agree the system is too touchy about it's parameters, especially battery condition, but after early problems, due to a faulty OEM battery, mine has functioned perfectly since 2014. Like steveras57 says though, I leave it turned off.
 
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New owner here (got it last week), everythings tikety-boo except the SS.... 2013 lounge.
  • I can turn it on & off after a restart.
  • Doesn't default to on.
  • When I turn it off it stays off.
  • Sporadically turns itself on, but always comes on with the orange triangle as well.
My next step is to stick a tester on it. I'm not convinced the battery is up to the job, but I like to prove my issues. I'm not into 'change it and see'.
Appreciate the posts, it's all good info.

Regards
GB
 
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New owner here (got it last week), everythings tikety-boo except the SS.... 2013 louge.
  • I can turn it on & off after a restart.
  • Doesn't default to on.
  • When I turn it off it stays off.
  • Sporadically turns itself on, but always comes on with the orange triangle as well.
My next step is to stick a tester on it. I'm not convinced the battery is up to the job, but I like to prove my issues. I'm not into 'change it and see'.
Appreciate the posts, it's all good info.

Regards
GB

Hi 🙂

Lift off the sensor cable on the battery terminal...
That should help the system assess the battery charge state
 
The Younger Mrs S's Rasputin is a 2013 and does the same; if you turn the S&S off, it stays off, even if you switch off/on again the ignition.

The beast has a non-specialised battery and everything seems to work okay. S&S was moody for a long time, only ever Starting the engine if you stalled it, rather than also Stopping the engine .. but if I ever charged the battery up on the bench, or cleaned up all the terminals during maintenance, the S&S would be 100% fine for a week or so...

Curiously, at the end of the summer, during the hot weather, it began Stopping again out of the blue, so by doing nothing we were back to full S&S again.
Then as the weather got colder, it reverted to just Starting only.. so Rasputin's (4yo) battery condition/capability is obviously right on the edge.

I also changed a gearbox mount a few weeks ago, which made the S&S start working normally again.. although now it re-starts the engine after 10-15 seconds, whereas in the summer at "peak S&S" it would stay off for ages. I think the gearbox mount work might have just given it a better Earth.

I quite like the S&S although the one on my X takes a bit longer to switch off when the car comes to a halt. The 500 one is pretty much instant, which is slightly annoying when you want to immediately move off again.. but overall, it's not too clunky, if you just drive the car as if there was no S&S fitted at all.


Ralf S.
 
As i said in my previous post there are so many things being monitored that the slightest wrong value and the system has a paddy and wont come out to play! the system has an "emergency start" facility for if you stall the car which reduces the parameters to a minimum and gives it a go! pretty much always works if you stall but as you say wont turn the car off for you when you stop!.
In my experience the system never brings up fault codes for stop start even in multi ecu scan! you just get the warning triangle and/or the stop start unavailable message in the display or more often nothing at all!-0 the system just dont work! when i first got my issues the very first thing i did what put on a brand new high cca amp stop start specific battery! made no difference to my car what so ever! it was only once i had changed many many parts including the much mentioned earth cable did the system come back to life! Its all very random and frustrating good luck and let us all know how you get on!.
 
I was surprised to find that the battery in the 2017 Doblo was not a specific Stop/Start type. It could have been swapped during its build as a wheelchair vehicle, if there were other non S/S vehicles around, but the battery does appear to be the right age, so perhaps is correct.
When I bought it, beginning of the year, it was 6 years old with just over 12k miles, so likely to have spent a lot of time not fully charged. When tested, the battery showed good, but not fully charged. After a few months of regular use, suddenly the S/S started working, but only for a few seconds at a time. Longest 'off' has been nearly a whole minute, but mostly it does 15-20 seconds. It did throw a wobbly once, engine stayed on once stopped, then cut out as I put the clutch down to move away. Leaving out of gear, releasing the clutch caused a restart, thankfully. Then later same day, it didn't restart after stopping, requiring the key to be turned. Missed the temp traffic signals, oops! Been behaving ever since, although rarely operates.

Now we're out of the bowling season, the Fabia usually only gets used on Wed and Thu, and rarely between. Battery is original, so nearly 9 years old. Usually, if the battery sensor determines not good enough, it will not operate the S/S for the whole journey. But a restart will wake it up again. It tends to work well on Thursdays.

S/S is usually good for learners, as it will recover a stall. Except sometimes with the Fiestas, if the stall was particularly violent, it would refuse to restart, demanding a manual off then on again. With the push button start, that was a slow painful delay, just what is needed with a nervous learner and a busy roundabout. I'd have like to put the Ford engineer who determined this behaviour, in the back of the car, with a learner, and stall it in the magic roundabout in Swindon. That might get his attention.
 
Upon further investigation, after clearing error codes, the orange triangle stays off and I can push the SS button to get the light illuminated on the dash. However, the text message in the EVIC says "Stop/Start disconnected" when the light is on, and "Stop/Start connected" when the light is off. Something makes me think it should've been the other way around!

One of the error codes was 2209, even the tester didn't recognise it.

Went for a half hour drive, and it doesn't work either way.

Battery voltage measures 12.6V, and rises to 12.8V when I raise the RPM..

Have yet to remove and clean battery terminals, and although they look ok, I won't be sure till I've done it personally. I'll check the other ends of the cables too.

Hi 🙂

Lift off the sensor cable on the battery terminal...
That should help the system assess the battery charge state
That sounds interesting, I'll give it a go. Thx.
Although if it doen't look obvious, I'll post some pics of the battery set up.

Regards
GB
 
New owner here (got it last week), everythings tikety-boo except the SS.... 2013 lounge.
  • I can turn it on & off after a restart.
  • Doesn't default to on.
  • When I turn it off it stays off.
  • Sporadically turns itself on, but always comes on with the orange triangle as well.
My next step is to stick a tester on it. I'm not convinced the battery is up to the job, but I like to prove my issues. I'm not into 'change it and see'.
Appreciate the posts, it's all good info.

Regards
GB
Welcome, just switch it off, it may stay off all the time or year dependant may need to switch off every trip, the system is crap, you need to drive a significant distance each day with a new battery for it to work with the ac off so don't worry, by the way if your car has ac never turn it off-trust me
 
IT says stop start connected with the warning light OFF!! so you dont have to drive around all day with a big orange symbol glowing in the instrument panel to distract you! whilst moving! thats the correct display and how fiat made it!
 
IT says stop start connected with the warning light OFF!! so you dont have to drive around all day with a big orange symbol glowing in the instrument panel to distract you! whilst moving! thats the correct display and how fiat made it!
Yes the warning light stays ON while the S/S is switched OFF. I've been driving around with the yellow light glowing literally for years - far from distracting I don't even notice it any more. I switch the S/S on from time to time to make sure it's functioning correctly but it's pretty pointless and makes no noticeable difference.
 
IT says stop start connected with the warning light OFF!! so you dont have to drive around all day with a big orange symbol glowing in the instrument panel to distract you! whilst moving! thats the correct display and how fiat made it!
Yeah, found the details in the downloaded manual yesterday.... so as I like all the warning lights off, it's been on apparently :cool:
Not that it actually ever stopped/started. All part of the familiarisation process. Oh, and in my post #10, all the on/off's are reversed, as I didn't know the warning light meant it was off.

....but it's pretty pointless and makes no noticeable difference.
Well, I decided to pursure it, but at a leisurely pace and not going to bust a gut over it. Was strange that the warning triangle came on when trying to turn the SS off though!
 
This could turn out to be like reading a very long and quite boring book ,l! if you look up the topics that cause 500 owners the most problems/irritation then stop starts probably right at the top of the list ( because its so blinking hard to pin down the problem!).
Thermostat is a close second cause they fail so regularly (but at least they are easy to fix!)
stay well! hope your investigations prove fruitful!.
 
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