General Help, Big Repair bill...

[Digi Dreamer]

Hi, needing urgent advice,

Sump collapsed, metal moths been busy,, Garage has quoted a 2000-pound repair bill to replace the VVT pulley, Oil Pick up and pump, Sump,

the cars a 2014 panda 1.2 pop, stalled turning a corner, car began to run rough, had grounded on a speed hump a few days earlier. last oil check about 1 month ago, minor top up.

no oil warning light came on.

thought the cam belt had slipped, cars only done 37000 miles drove a few miles home watching for the oil light, took 2 ltrs of oil when i got home, had a P0016 fault code, now cleared

the garage retimed the cam belt, said the VVT ran dry. engine runs smooth but fast

what are my options, hoping just a new sump and VVT pulley. how can i test the old pulley

got 3 days till my MOT runs out, and which timing tools do i need to replace the pulley.
any advice?

 

[Pugglt Auld Jock]

Buy a Citroen 2CV from about 1978/80 take it to a specialist 2CV restored and rebuild it from the ground up with everything rustproofed. It will go on for ever and NEVER give you any electronics problem.
Just by way of example, consider it.s air con system, a flap under the windscreen. Simples!
I remember Colin Chapman's quote when he first started building Lotus's "Simplicate and add lightness" I
In contrast to the modern ethos ,I suspect "Complicate it as far as possible, often with things no-one needs and then charge as much as you can get away with"


No need to tell me, I know I,m a dinosaur, and all that's totally unrealistic

Oh Colin, Having owned a Citroen Dyane for many years and spending countless hours in my early working career looking after Morris Minors I'm so tempted to do a blow by blow comparison between them. However I think the forum would exclude me from doing such a long post! suffice to say, although I loved my Dyane very much and we went all over the place with it and it never let us down, I'd take the Morris every day of the week for my daily steed.

 

[Motorcyclist Colin]

Oh Colin, Having owned a Citroen Dyane for many years and spending countless hours in my early working career looking after Morris Minors I'm so tempted to do a blow by blow comparison between them. However I think the forum would exclude me from doing such a long post! suffice to say, although I loved my Dyane very much and we went all over the place with it and it never let us down, I'd take the Morris every day of the week for my daily steed.

Hi Jock
A difficult choice, I agree. A Morris Minor (of which I've had a few) would come second on my choice. T he later 2CV would just swing it for me, by having, all independent suspension but cleverly linked fore and aft, discs (inboard) already, eaisily detachable rear seat (fronts too come to that) alternator on the later ones, and no radiator, better off road ability, easier to work on. for the non professional mechanic,. , bolt on panels, and all models with two position sunshine roof. .
If you like car books try and find a copy of "the Life and Times ofthe 2CV".
I ran out of fuel (Damaged rubber fuel line) in France many years ago, was rescued by a Frenchman on the way to a classic car weekend, which included several 2CV. We were invited to join their meeting, given lunch, stayed for a dance, camped on the village hall garden, and on the Sunday all the men gatthered round gave endless advice offered spares, called out the boss of one owner who turned up with other spares and a jerrycan of fuel. Because by then we so behind our schedule (goingto a Vincent bike rally) we stopped at a campsite we had never been to before, where we were treated to a free band concert and wine tasting, and had a trip round one of the very first hydro electric plants anywhere in the world which made that part of France one ofthe richest areas.
Also one smowy day, on ordinary Michelin "X"s drove happily up a hill, past slithering, sliding, "ordinary" cars who did not make it up. I could go on but won't bore you any more. There is only good luck with a 2CV. But as I say a close run thing with the Minor.
Happy Christmas and a Peaceful New year to all. (PS my 4x4 Panda is pretty good too!)

 

[jackwhoo]

@Pugglt Auld Jock
@Motorcyclist Colin

I am loving this

Please could either of you start a new thread including your posts about bygone simple cars I would like to own now.
With photographs and memories etc

 

[Motorcyclist Colin]

@Pugglt Auld Jock
@Motorcyclist Colin

I am loving this

Please could either of you start a new thread including your posts about bygone simple cars I would like to own now.
With photographs and memories etc

Thanks Jackwhoo. I'll see what I can dig up sometime

 

[Digi Dreamer]

mmmm! 2 cv with lomax body kit, and wind in your hair, (And bugs in yar teeth...)

 

[Pugglt Auld Jock]

@Pugglt Auld Jock
@Motorcyclist Colin

I am loving this

Please could either of you start a new thread including your posts about bygone simple cars I would like to own now.
With photographs and memories etc

Like Colin, I'll give this some thought Jack. Maybe I'll start by detailing why I'd not go for the wee Citroen - despite it's many admitted attractions not least of which being it's cross country and snow abilities, although I think the early DAF cars with their effectively locked, at low speed, diff rear drive might run them a close thing. All they lacked was range of movement of suspension.

 

[koalar]

still leaking from sump seal, don't want to have to cut it all off again, any leak stop additives recommended? probably only works on seals not sealing compounds, looks like it's going back to a garage..

Need a bit more info

I suspect the replacement sump wasn’t quite the correct shape

It’s not unusual for pattern parts not to fit 100% without a bit of fettling first


Can you photo the leak. We might be able to sort something if it’s at the edge.

 

[Digi Dreamer]

Thought i had put enough sealant on, i'll look under when the ground dries out a bit, can see the track coming from the flywheel end.
seemed snug when offered up dry, and all the holes lined up like a dream.

 

[Digi Dreamer]

daf, wasn't that the car that could reverse at the same speed as it could forwards, constantly variable gearbox

 

[koalar]

coming from the flywheel end.

Mmmm

There’s a few other possible sources of leaks at his point

Might need a good looking at first

Main crank seal
Gearbox Input shaft seal
Seal behind the coil pack ( pre 2009 ish)
Cam cover
As well as the sump

 

[Digi Dreamer]

no leaks topside, seals where ok before, not saying much i know, but would be a bigger job again, gearbox unlikely, would mainly leak off the gearbox, lowest point. drips coming off the sump close to the plug, and that's tight and sealed.

 

[koalar]

no leaks topside, seals where ok before, not saying much i know, but would be a bigger job again..

Could it be inside the bell housing and out the bottom where the metal cover is ?

See if I can find a photo

 

[Digi Dreamer]

bell housing was dry, i'll take a snap when i get home from work

 

[koalar]

It can run down the inside of the bell housing and come out next to the sump

Here the covers from mine

But I don’t have a pic with them in situation

Just a photo of a ball bearing that’s escaped from the gearbox

 

[Digi Dreamer]

i hope not, that means the cars be scrap for me

 

[koalar]

i hope not, that means the cars be scrap for me

There a very quick test If oil is escaping from the input/main bearing


@rmjbn1 posted an excellent description here with photos

Clutch or Gearbox? | FIAT 500 (2007+)

Hi, Last year i bought a 1.2 500 (well, 1.2 Ka but basically the same car) on 75k and i've had issues with the gearbox being rough to go into 2nd and also crunches when coming out of 5th in 4th. I have changed the gearbox oil, linkage and today i have replaced the clutch fluid but still the...

www.fiatforum.com

Fingers crossed it will be fine

I find it strange the new sump is leaking from the same place as the old. Although any failure in fit is likely to be around the curved sections.

 

[Digi Dreamer]

gear box think is ok, going through engine oil 1/4l every 30 miles ish

 

[koalar]

A litre per 120 miles is huge and should be very obvious

Need sorting ASAP. Both dangerous dropping oil on a wet road and expensive at about an extra £5 per 100 miles

 

[Digi Dreamer]

looks like the cars goto go..

 

[koalar]

Post a photo

Poke a finger through the inspection hole

Shouldn’t be the end

Could be much worse. Someone has dropped the gearbox out three times because the original clutch they fitted was a fail on fit part