my car is running now on 220.000km. It is serviced always on time with same synthetic oil brand and filter. After 200.000km it started a huge oil loss. Nothing leaks, no smoke, no noise, no power loss, no temperature light on, but suddenly it looses almost 1lit oil every 1000km! My garage cannot find anything and the obd II check shows nothing. Any idea? What to check? THANKS IN ADVANCE
Technical panda diesel model 2016, 95hp - big oil loss
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Technical panda diesel model 2016, 95hp - big oil loss
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Get the hoses off and check for residues on output side
Mine is the same. It has had a ton of new parts, including high pressure pump, injectors, DPF, turbo to name but a few. Just like yours, it runs really well, starts perfectly, good fuel consumption, never smokes on startup or when running and has no leaks at all. At its worst, it can use 0.5 litre of oil in 200 miles, crazy.
Unfortunately, there are other threads on here and some anecdotal evidence on the internet that any time after 80-90,000 miles these engines suddenly start drinking oil. My personal theory is gummed up oil control rings allowing small amounts of oil to get into the combustion chamber and be burnt but the DPF is catching most of it, hence nothing showing out the rear. However, I think it is enough to explain the oil consumption. I think it is also why I had to change the DPF not long after I bought it.
Its not worth tearing the engine down to check this so I will drive it until either the DPF blocks again or the chain lets go….
Unfortunately, there are other threads on here and some anecdotal evidence on the internet that any time after 80-90,000 miles these engines suddenly start drinking oil. My personal theory is gummed up oil control rings allowing small amounts of oil to get into the combustion chamber and be burnt but the DPF is catching most of it, hence nothing showing out the rear. However, I think it is enough to explain the oil consumption. I think it is also why I had to change the DPF not long after I bought it.
Its not worth tearing the engine down to check this so I will drive it until either the DPF blocks again or the chain lets go….
mechanic has already checked turbo function and it looks that valves and sensors work fine
I agree with you for the oil control rings, but garage wants to avoid opening the combustion chamber and replace the piston rings. Is it possible to unstuck the rings using engine flush or chemicals which claim to clean and lubricate rings, valves and rubbers? At least I haven't replaced a ton of new parts!
My mj motors were early.. Before DPF and this was not a reported issue back then
Mine had 80,90,and 120 thousand miles,
I've not had a FIAT that uses oil very often, certainly less than 5% of them
Mine had 80,90,and 120 thousand miles,
I've not had a FIAT that uses oil very often, certainly less than 5% of them
The new parts I replaced were for other reasons, I was just pointing out that the car now has nothing externally wrong with it that could cause the oil loss.
Whilst investigating this issue I did find a couple of videos suggesting the removal of the injectors and putting small quantities of diesel directly into the cylinders and leaving for a period of time to try and loosen the rings. I couldn’t find any other evidence to back this up so decided not to bother. The reality is that if the control rings are coked or gummed up the only long term solution is to remove the pistons and clean or fit new rings.
From the Qubo section: https://www.fiatforum.com/threads/qubo-1-3-mj-excessive-oil-consumption.500848/
Interesting video about this:
Whilst investigating this issue I did find a couple of videos suggesting the removal of the injectors and putting small quantities of diesel directly into the cylinders and leaving for a period of time to try and loosen the rings. I couldn’t find any other evidence to back this up so decided not to bother. The reality is that if the control rings are coked or gummed up the only long term solution is to remove the pistons and clean or fit new rings.
From the Qubo section: https://www.fiatforum.com/threads/qubo-1-3-mj-excessive-oil-consumption.500848/
Interesting video about this:
I don't know if it is safe to use diesel instead of oil, or brake fluid, partially or completely to replace motor oil. The motor is already distressed, after 220.000km and I'm afraid to wear it down more. I finally believe it needs new rings set to fit
Anything you put in the cylinders in an attempt to free the rings should only be done to soak the rings and bores - don’t run the engine this way. If I tried this I would change the oil afterwards as a matter of course anyway…
you mean the engine flush, as an oil additive before an oil change. If you follow the instructions they guide you so. But is it effective?
Effective? I have no solid evidence to prove one way or the other. If you are willing to try it then it can’t hurt.
have you tried anything?
No. All the research I did showed that others had tried various treatments but none struck me as being completely successful or a long term solution. I just live with the high oil consumption and don’t use the car for long trips. I have another Panda which does most of our day to day running so am not too worried.
I don’t believe there is a 100% solution that doesn’t involve stripping the engine down, something I don’t think is worth doing.
I don’t believe there is a 100% solution that doesn’t involve stripping the engine down, something I don’t think is worth doing.
