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I too am a practising C of E Christian, attend mass regularly, and also serve with the priests.

Christmas is way too commercialised now, with the real meaning lost - as someone said, the word Xmas is now used, to drop the word Christ from it - nice.....:(

I don't want to comment anymore, tbh. Some comments are being made on this thread, and I am finding them pretty offensive.

Stuart
 
I could go on about this for ages!!!!! But, just one small point... children in these shopping centres will ask their Mums and Dads why there is no Santa, they will be told why and as they grow up they will resent other cultures that have alledgedly caused this....
The main problem is our nanny state government and councils, why doesnt everyone in Brum that doesnt accept this just boycott the ring? Santa would be sure to appear if trade was taken elsewhere. Trouble is so many people in the UK moan but do nothing about it, think France and what they would do. BTW, I find it offensive that Peeps in Turbans can ride their scooters/bikes without helmets.
 
Better still, why not boycott any shops that start Christmas too early, sy in October, and let the manager know that is what you intennd to do. Most Christmas shopping can be done online without this cynical interference or in local businesses.

Major retailers have far too much power, and in order to ensure that we don't have identikit high streets, we should also support local businesses. In many cases they have to follow the lead of the megastores in order to attract customers.

The traditions are being hijacked, so it makes sense to boycott the hijackers and let them know why.
 
Granted I haven't read much of this thread (little time) however, I have a few comments.

1) I have never spoken to a member of an ethnic minority who would prefer christmas not to exist - it's most likely a political decision made by some deranged British over-PC'ed person.
2) Santa is nothing to do with christians......!
3) I don't see why as a young person the Christian religion should have been forced down my neck UNLESS I chose to go to a religious school. I mean they want me to do factual maths and then learn that some guy called God created the world....haha, I love how long such a weird tradition has lasted. Anyway, my belief is that we have a right NOT to be indoctorinated, this is something my father believes in so strongly that he makes sure his assemblys in school give a wide range of views. He was repremanded by OFSTED for doing so, until the ruling class realise fairness for all however, people like that will have to stand by their guns.

I ended up at a RC school for 4 fantastic years and learnt a great deal about catholicism and cristianity as a whole, however, I also know how many problems this created for the people in the school who had been indoctorinated.

Daftcars: The point is that if you are religious you are supposed to try to be accepting, that's one of the points behind it...
 
South Park

Anyone remember the Christmas episode of South Park where everyone kept complaining how the different aspects of Christmas offended them? It was well funny, but sadly it seems to be happening.

BTW, Santa, as we recognise him was devised by Coca Cola!
 
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BTW, Santa, as we recognise him was devised by Coca Cola![/QUOTE]
tis true, the original santa was blue.. well his clothes, he's ony been red since coke used his image to advertised, and gave him a new outfit to co-ordinate with the with the red can
 
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To start with let's assume that Daftcar's comment was a joke and he doesn't actually object to turbans - I don't think anyone is trying to offend anyone else on this forum.

Surely Christians objecting to turbans is no worse than Muslims objecting to Christmas decorations in any case. Although there is undoubtedly a racist minority in this country who would object to turbans, there is also a small minority of people who object to Christmas related stuff, yet somehow this is not racist and we have to listen to them. This makes no sense to me and it's the politicians causing the problem not the other cultures, of whom the vast majority have no problem with Christmas celebrations.

And yes, Christmas is far too comercialised.
 
I find this funny... I don't care either way, and think it's just a load of political correctness gone mad, but I would prefer it if there was a little less x-mas about, it's not even december yet... I was in china (shanghai) a few years a go for christmas, and there were more santas, christmas trees and decorations there than I've ever seen here...

Best thing ever though was the KFC I had for christmas dinner, and being able to shop on christmas day!
 
Are we sure this isn't just one of those urban myths "kumars" I believe is the actual name where the real reason (poor council etc.) is being shuned for something the Sun would like us to believe?

Richard; I knew you would say that which is partly why I deleted my final line "You should be accepting REGARDLESS of what the other party wishes, that's what's supposed to set you apart as being a true Christian"

Another 100 or so years and Christianity will most likely be "christ-what?"....

As I said before, I can't imagine many religions living in a predominantly Christian country claiming foul about a few decorations, all my ethnic minority friends (and I now have many....my course is 45% oversears) love it!
 
pghstochaj said:
Another 100 or so years and Christianity will most likely be "christ-what?"....
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You reckon so?! And what about all the other Catholic religions, like Roman? And the Jews?

I realise that a lot of the current generation don't give a monkeys, but it will in no way disappear. If you recall, a lot of the early Christian rituals were held in the catacombs because they too were being chased and persecuted.....
 
Sorry Stu, I meant in the UK.

I don't believe it will be a persecuted relgion, I always hoped we were moving away from such nonesense, however, I personally believe (despite coming from a RC school) that it won't last very long as you say "A lot of the current generation don't give a monkeys". I simply feel that we are beyond that stage in our evolution, or at least on a transistion stage.
 
Like always I knew the work but not the spelling :p

I think the definition is that you have been told as a child that something is correct, for example, Hitler used indoctorination on the Hitler Youth groups (right from an early age).

Apparently the actual spelling is: indoctrination
Meaning:To instruct in a body of doctrine or principles.
To imbue with a partisan or ideological point of view: a generation of children who had been indoctrinated against the values of their parents.

I do believe that the wide use is about children.
 
I agree with Stuart that Christianity will be around for a long time to come. There are many people who feel the need to beleieve in something and want answers to questions that science can not yet give them. There are also the insecure people who without the belief that an omnipotent entity is watching over them could not get through life, then there are those who can not accept that our carporeal existance is our only existance and that life is finite.

The USA, despite being progressive in many ways, has the largest christian population in the world. If no-one was brought up being taught about religion and then at the age of twenty you introduced the idea to them, they would probably laugh at your fanciful tale, but there would still be the few people looking for something missing, for which religion would fill that void.

Personally I find the whole idea of religion to be archaic and almost medievil, but for the above reasons it doesn't surprise that many people still believe. I think the christian ideals and way of life are something we should all strive to achieve, with or with faith. I don't mean going to church, spreading the word of god, I mean treating other people the way you would want them to treat you, helping others wherever you can. Unfortunately many christians no longer follow these ideals, though they may claim to and the world has become a very self centered place.

Last note, I would never wish to offend anyone, but there will be occasions when a person is not at fault when they have offended someone, it is the offendee who is over sensitive, obviously not always the case. There is no chrime in voicing an opinion, but people should never be offended by what another person thinks, disagreeing is sufficient.
 
Christianty lasting?

Christianity die out? I doubt it! Paul, I'm sure at your University there is a very strong Christian Union as there is at mine. Christian Unions in Universities seem ever popular with a large number of young, intelligent individuals who choose to believe.

Personally I'm not very religious, but on going to Uni I have realised just how many are.

Besides, its not just clashing religions its clash of culture which is also a major problem. I personally find some cultures offensive, regarding women as second class citizens for example. British culture has long ago gone past this, so is it right people joining our society should be able to carry on doing as if they were in, say Afganistan?
 
Hi - so much for no further comments, lol.

Neofolis, no offence taken [even though "As with most things the devious christians hijacked the festival to celebrate the birth of that bearded **** " did get me going] - after all, this is a debate and we all have our opinions.

IMO, religion is a personal issue and shouldn't be rammed down peoples' throats. I went to a multi-denominational school, which probably swayed towards RC with hindsight, but I came a believer late in life, well beyond school.

As some of you may know, my mum was seriously ill with cancer - in and out of hospices. Soon after meeting Jules, she sought to comfort my mum by taking her to church! Even at this stage, I was very aloof and stand-offish to it all. But as time progressed, and when my mum died, I was 23 [back in 1996]. I then found great comfort in Jesus - my mum had the last rites given to her by the archdeacon 10 minutes before I got to the hospice, too late for me to say a final goodbye, but I remember her being in total peace - Jules and I got married 5 weeks later.

From that, I find going to church remains my comfort - I very rarely, if at all, attend my mothers grave.

Basically, one persons comfort is another persons angst. I totally accept other peoples beliefs. I was also a scientist at school, and know many doctors and other 'scientists' who are believers.

Sorry to get so deep.....all this stemmed from a 'do-gooder' in Brum council, no doubts :)

Stu
 
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