Aka0019
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Well I'm definitely no expert then since I thought they were OK! I'll get some new ones tomorrow.
I haven't measured the gap but will just change them anyway.
I haven't measured the gap but will just change them anyway.
Technical Fuel pump 1.1
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Technical Fuel pump 1.1
Thanks for the nice clear photos
I zoomed in at 3X their normal size and measured the gap to be 4mm
4/3 = 1.33mm gap
I see they are Bosch they will have started with a smaller gap at .7mm
So it's nearly double what it started with
Cylinders 2 and 3 look fine
Cylinders 1 and 4 don't look like they are always firing, the last thread is covered in carbon, the insulator tip is darker and the side electrode is missing normal patch which shows they are at the correct temperature range circled here
What you don't want to see a problem in adjacent cylinders especially 1 and 2
It's likely the coils that deals with 1 and 4 is struggling, fingers crossed it's just the plugs.
I zoomed in at 3X their normal size and measured the gap to be 4mm
4/3 = 1.33mm gap
I see they are Bosch they will have started with a smaller gap at .7mm
So it's nearly double what it started with
Cylinders 2 and 3 look fine
Cylinders 1 and 4 don't look like they are always firing, the last thread is covered in carbon, the insulator tip is darker and the side electrode is missing normal patch which shows they are at the correct temperature range circled here
What you don't want to see a problem in adjacent cylinders especially 1 and 2
It's likely the coils that deals with 1 and 4 is struggling, fingers crossed it's just the plugs.
The Panda Nut
Nutty about Pandas Infected by Panda virus and OPD
Plug gap IS huge. It should be something like 0.8 mm from memnory. New plugs are all supposed to be preset Haynes doesnt tell you. They dont need much tighteming either 18lb/ft. Take car to strat them by hand and not to cross thread them. I now use 3 in 1 on the threads.
Gap depends on which plugs is fitted
NKG 1mm latter engine
Denso equivalent 0.8mm
Bosch equivalent 0.7mm
The newer NGK normally start to fail at 1.8 and the older ones at 1.7mm
I no idea when the Denso or Bosch start to fail
NKG 1mm latter engine
Denso equivalent 0.8mm
Bosch equivalent 0.7mm
The newer NGK normally start to fail at 1.8 and the older ones at 1.7mm
I no idea when the Denso or Bosch start to fail
Aka0019
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Good news, I changed the plugs for some Denso ones and all seems well. Feels a lot more responsive now, well as responsive as a 1.1 can be 
Thanks again for everyone's help. Brake pads need changing next so if someone has a link to a guide or YouTube video it would be appreciated.
Andrew
Thanks again for everyone's help. Brake pads need changing next so if someone has a link to a guide or YouTube video it would be appreciated.
Andrew
Cool well done in fixing it
The feedback has also added to the forums knowledge
We now know the Bosch plugs start failing at a much smaller gap
Onto brakes
Just pads
Or pads and discs minimum thickness is 9.2mm
Before starting and ripping the old pads out it's a good idea to pop the wheels off and assess the state of the pads and discs first
Are all 4 pads worn down the same, the don't have to be perfect but both sides should be roughly the same
Is it the wearing evenly across the disc, outer edge to middle, both sides
Recommending a video isn't that easy, half of them are just plain wrong or misleading
For example, slathering copper grease on the back of the pads, most pads in the last 10 years come ready coated, it will not melt or pick up dirt and transfer it onto the piston and it's seals
Watch out for part numbers there are several different pads and disc combinations used on the Panda
I used drivetech from GSF last time, price was around £20 for a pair of discs
@varesecrazy I beleive has done a guide, I think, not sure if it's in the 500 or punto section
If the sliders, side and the rubber is in good condition there's no point in touching them
Whether you grease the ears on the pads is up to you, but regardless they should not be tight in the carrier
Here's Fiats take on it
The feedback has also added to the forums knowledge
We now know the Bosch plugs start failing at a much smaller gap
Onto brakes
Just pads
Or pads and discs minimum thickness is 9.2mm
Before starting and ripping the old pads out it's a good idea to pop the wheels off and assess the state of the pads and discs first
Are all 4 pads worn down the same, the don't have to be perfect but both sides should be roughly the same
Is it the wearing evenly across the disc, outer edge to middle, both sides
Recommending a video isn't that easy, half of them are just plain wrong or misleading
For example, slathering copper grease on the back of the pads, most pads in the last 10 years come ready coated, it will not melt or pick up dirt and transfer it onto the piston and it's seals
Watch out for part numbers there are several different pads and disc combinations used on the Panda
I used drivetech from GSF last time, price was around £20 for a pair of discs
@varesecrazy I beleive has done a guide, I think, not sure if it's in the 500 or punto section
If the sliders, side and the rubber is in good condition there's no point in touching them
Whether you grease the ears on the pads is up to you, but regardless they should not be tight in the carrier
Here's Fiats take on it
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No brakes GUIDES from me IIRC
But every generation of FIAT disc brakes has changed..
So the tools required will change
7mm Allen key was a favourite odd tool required..
Others will confirm if that is now a TORX..
But every generation of FIAT disc brakes has changed..
So the tools required will change
7mm Allen key was a favourite odd tool required..
Others will confirm if that is now a TORX..
Mines just a clip you pull with pliers and a pin you tap out
Just looked at the Haynes video for the punto and 500, there slightly different
What is strange the 500 they leave dry and the punto they grease the ears
Both the same brakes with shims in the carrier which most Pandas don't have as the shim is built into the caliper
But looking at their video did open a whole new can worms of jacking the car,
Haynes is not the way I would do it, Especially as the car gets older, Autodocs video is done on a lift
Finding a decent video is not easy, to do properly, assuming there's no problems it really is less than 5 minutes a side, once the cars jaked and the wheels off
Just looked at the Haynes video for the punto and 500, there slightly different
What is strange the 500 they leave dry and the punto they grease the ears
Both the same brakes with shims in the carrier which most Pandas don't have as the shim is built into the caliper
But looking at their video did open a whole new can worms of jacking the car,
Haynes is not the way I would do it, Especially as the car gets older, Autodocs video is done on a lift
Finding a decent video is not easy, to do properly, assuming there's no problems it really is less than 5 minutes a side, once the cars jaked and the wheels off
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Aka0019
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Thanks everyone. I will have a look at what you have all sent and hopefully get them done over the holidays.
