Coronavirus - The Thread :(

[varesecrazy]

Ive known people laid low for a week by both Covid vaccines on their 1st dose

The 1 person I thought would struggle (due to to previous experiences \ history) was fine

Also good to see that keeping everybody out of circulation has had a MASSIVE effect on the Influenza figures

18..down from 1800

 

[werdna]

If life carries on at this rate then we will have to go out for Breakfast !

 

[portland_bill]

Also good to see that keeping everybody out of circulation has had a MASSIVE effect on the Influenza figures

18..down from 1800

The frightening thing about 18, is they were lucky. If they caught flu, they could have caught covid.

 

[DaveMcT]

Ive known people laid low for a week by both Covid vaccines on their 1st dose

The 1 person I thought would struggle (due to to previous experiences \ history) was fine

Also good to see that keeping everybody out of circulation has had a MASSIVE effect on the Influenza figures

18..down from 1800

The number of people under sixty with no known health conditions who died from The Coov is just 400.
The number who died in hospital, Coov positive with symptoms is under 50,000. That's likely to be true because if you are being killed by the disease you'll be in hospital. Over 100,000 who "died within 28 days of a positive test" is a statistical trick to frighten people. It's worked.

 

[PuntoHowTo]

The number of people under sixty with no known health conditions who died from The Coov is just 400.
The number who died in hospital, Coov positive with symptoms is under 50,000. That's likely to be true because if you are being killed by the disease you'll be in hospital. Over 100,000 who "died within 28 days of a positive test" is a statistical trick to frighten people. It's worked.

There are two ways to look at that, firstly there are very VERY few people with no known underpaying health conditions and I believe even mental health conditions were included in that.

As many care homes will tell you, a huge number of very elderly people were told to stay in or discharged back to care homes while dying and positive with Covid because there was nothing that they health service was going to do for a 100 year old which a dozen other health problems.

This is why there is so much controversy over the way the health service was treating care home patients in the early days

 

[portland_bill]

This vid just popped up on YouTube. A very interesting 12 minutes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBq-LV3Jm1M

 

[Cinq999]

As many care homes will tell you, a huge number of very elderly people were told to stay in or discharged back to care homes while dying and positive with Covid because there was nothing that they health service was going to do for a 100 year old which a dozen other health problems.

This is why there is so much controversy over the way the health service was treating care home patients in the early days

I have to sadly confirm this is true. I personally have attended over 50 fatalities in care homes due to Covid, plus at least 2 dozen in private homes, where basically it was decided that rather than the patient dying in the hospital, it was best for them to pass away in their own home with their loved ones.....and from what colleagues have said, it's quite a common occurrence.

If the ICU is full, and there's virtually no chance of recovery anyway, I know where I'd prefer to spend my last hours.

 

[Graham2018]

Is this virus ever going to go away ? or is the vacination programme in the UK
going to stand us in good stead against other european countries ?
There was some talk on the internet last night of another possible lockdown
at the end of april . I wouldn't think the uk could sustain another lockdown
financially and also the effect its had on people's mental health .
When do people think we're gonna get back to normal.....if thats possible .

Graham

 

[varesecrazy]

Is this virus ever going to go away ?
When do people think we're gonna get back to normal.....if thats possible .
Graham

Hi

As the clocks have changed.. my Crystal ball is still dark..

General concensus is that the Virus is going to be in circulation for a LONG time

The vaccination program is hoped to get us through.. making hospitalisation a very rare occurrence..

Lockdowns..
Plenty of press coverage in the last week hoping it will be back to 'regions in trouble'.. the rest of us back to doing what we can.

Lots of employers are now firming up plans to get people 'back in the office' September seems popular

I'm just thankful nobody I know well spent January 2020 renovating a pub eatery with their life savings.

 

[PuntoHowTo]

There was some talk on the internet last night of another possible lockdown

At the moment the press are getting bored for want of a decent story so there are a lot of “this could happen” type stories going about. Things like the vaccine passport just to go to the pub, I don’t believe it was a thing anyone was seriously considering but the press made such a big deal of it that the government for forced to make a statement about it.

It’s not beyond the realm of impossibility that a further lockdown Could happen but if people are sensible and keep getting vaccinated then the likelihood becomes very low

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

Is this virus ever going to go away ? or is the vacination programme in the UK
going to stand us in good stead against other european countries ?
There was some talk on the internet last night of another possible lockdown
at the end of april . I wouldn't think the uk could sustain another lockdown
financially and also the effect its had on people's mental health .
When do people think we're gonna get back to normal.....if thats possible .

Graham

Sorry to say but mental health is a minor thing IMO to the deaths of tens of thousands. If another lock down is needed (hopefully not) then so be it.

Once COVID has kill you there’s no coming back. Mental health as a whole can be controlled / treated.

 

[pooroldcodger]

I realise that you are generalizing but I don't think your rationale will cut much ice with the families of many young people who have committed suicide in the last 12 months for various reasons connected with lockdowns.

 

[PuntoHowTo]

I realise that you are generalizing but I don't think your rationale will cut much ice with the families of many young people who have committed suicide in the last 12 months for various reasons connected with lockdowns.

Catch 22 situation.

How many people have ended their own life in the last year specifically because of the lockdowns?

I'm not stupid, I know the answer is not zero and I genuinely know of at least one person who did take there own life. But then how do you square a few hundred lives of people dying from one thing versus 10,000 -100,000 dying of something else.

A motoring comparison is putting a speed limit on a road to reduce speeds and accidents, inevitably there will be that one person who crashed into the speed limit sign and gets killed.... do we ban all speed limit signs as a result.

Its that same sort of situation.

If we do .... then some people may die, versus a lot of people who will definately die. What do you do given that sort of data?

 

[Cinq999]

That's the issue with all diseases one way or the other......the government has to find a balance, but obviously virtually every time saving the majority will always take precedence.....rightly so in my personal opinion.

The old adage, "the needs of the many, outweigh those of the few". Of course, this needs to be balanced......which is not a job I'd want!

But in regards to the lockdowns......there's been at least 125'000 deaths in the last year. That's a year where we've spent months on end confined to our homes, social distancing, mask wearing, travel bans, the lot.

How many deaths would of occured if nothing was done? 500'000? 1'000'000?

Diseases such as the flu, we've learned to live.....an acceptable loss of life per year is regarded as "normal". But that is with a certain level of natural immunity, and the yearly flu vaccine. Plus for 99% of under 50's, flu at its worst is a couple of weeks off work in bed.

Covid however is an entirely different thing.

We have no natural immunity, vaccines have only become available on the last few months, it has a higher mortality rate than flu across all age groups, and it can cause long term health problems, and even death, in younger people.

I've had friends, family, neighbors and colleagues die from Covid, some in their 20's and 30's with no underlying health issues..... something that wouldn't happen with flu.

However, with the rollout of vaccines, and natural immunity from those who've had it already, I think it will become like flu, in the sense that it'll become a disease we live with, and there will be an "acceptable" number of deaths per year.

It'll no doubt be a case of having yearly vaccinations to protect against variants.....but hopefully in the not too distant future, they'll be available in pill/patch form to make distribution easy.

 

[DaveMcT]

People sick enough to be killed by a disease usually die in hospital. However Covid is different as many died in car homes. Totals below.

Of the hospital deaths -
To the end of 2020, 388 people under 60 in previously good health (that's with no known underlying health conditions) died in hospital from confirmed Covid-19. That number probably competes very closely with the number of suicides not to mention cancer deaths due to lack of attention in good time.

NHS England says 47,749 died from Covid in English hospitals between April 2 and December 23 2020. 45,770 had known underlying health conditions 1,979 were considered healthy prior to infection.

Of the 1,979 considered healthy prior to infection -

1,591 aged 60 and above
338 aged 40 to 59
44 aged 20 to 39
Six under the age of 19​

Of the 47,749 who died with pre-existing conditions -

25,235 aged 80 and above
17,325 age 60 to 79
2,926 age 40 to 59
263 age 20 to 39
21 age 0 to 19​

Repeat - these are figures from NHS England.

Populations to June 2019 (Wikipedia)

England 56,286,961 (84.3% of UK)
Scotland 5,463,300 (8.2% of UK)
Wales 3,152,879 (4.7% of UK)
Northern Ireland 1,893,667 (2.8% of UK)​

BBC had an article headlining 30,000 excess deaths in care homes. However 66% were Covid deaths and of those 25% died in hospitals. So we can add another 15,000 care home Covid deaths to the totals. This further proves this disease kills the infirm. It also does not tell us how many flu deaths we have had this year (another killer of the infirm). The news on that is quiet to say the least.

Care Home Covid deaths 15000.

 

[PuntoHowTo]

Aside from quoting the bbc (I thought you hated them btw?) you’ve not cited where any of your data actually comes from you say it’s from nhs England but you need to start putting cone links in, otherwise no one can actually see what data you’re talking about.
There was a huge explosion of cases and deaths after December which with new variants was much more dangerous to younger people

Also just a side note “pre-exsisting” conditions can mean a lot more than people realise. Depression is a pre-existing condition. There are plenty of people under 40, can run a marathon and would still be considered to have “pre-existing conditions” because they have depression or because they have some other ailment that normally no one would think twice about.

 

[Johnbee]

Had my first jab today, AZ at Chemist in village. Second booked for early June.

From home, to jab and back home again within 10 minutes.

Very well organised. Back in the garden pottering.

 

[chr1s]

It also does not tell us how many flu deaths we have had this year (another killer of the infirm). The news on that is quiet to say the least.

Probably not much to report.

18 cases of flu in Wales this winter, compared with 1,657 cases last winter:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56402489

This article doesn't give numbers of flu deaths, just "in February 2021 flu and pneumonia were the ninth-highest causes of death, 73.2% lower than the five-year average".

 

[varesecrazy]

Re: Coronavirus - The Thread p

Thanks for adding a link to that figure I quoted

Plenty of Covid still in the valleys..
Local school has been closed again.

The Panda Driver and I both got the
Wrecsam AZ this week

 

[Kiltedboarder]

Another lockdown will always be on the cards, here in mainland Europe it’s just getting going with another wave. In our region we have been in lockdown since Christmas and they keep extending it week by week

Personally a lockdown is useless and does not work, only way it can work is for people to stay inside at all times. Which is not realistic or possible

The effect of all this on companies big and small is devastating and people’s lives have been ruined by this

I just hope the vaccine does bring a step back to normality

We have an 8 month old daughter, never seen her family in the UK, only knows peoples faces with a mask. Had not had the chance to socialise with other babies and all the sort of things that babies do

All in all it’s a very long drawn out affair and mental health issues should not be taken lightly and not all can be fixed. You cannot just tell somebody to man up and get over it. We are all very different and have all manner of varying resilience.