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Bushes have arrived. They do have the slit in so should be easy enough to fit once I've separated the two metal parts of the assembly. Came with a free air freshner!
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I'm doing this via mobile, once the image has "uploaded 100%" click where you want the image in the text then tap the uploaded image. Does that make sense?
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Assume these must be the originals so only 16 years old / 115k.
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Nearly done the rear, I took out the shock bottom bolt and jacked the rear way up. Levered the spring out with a crow bar. Took the oportunity to roughly derust and paint the end stops and surrounding area of the subframe. The nearside was in much better condition and still had plenty of black paint on. I wonder if it's because it's near the exhaust so dries out more frequently(think WMF has mentioed this before?). Wrestled the new springs in with the crow bar and dropped it back on its wheels.
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Typically I've lost a washer or two from the shock bolts so will have to scrounge some from work today. Doesn't look much lower in the pic but I'm pretty sure it is.
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I can see much easier over the roof now. To be honest this wasn't about being all stancy pants, I was trying to get stiffer springs and reduce body roll. Still have to do the timing belt and water pump then I can sell the Alfa and get this back on the road. May even treat the Bug to an air con regas and wheel alignment.
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Took this for a cheeky drive around the back roads last night to test out the new suspension.
  • Knocks, bangs, squeaks have gone
  • A little harsher ride
  • Body roll still there but possibly slightly reduced
I think i've been spoilt by driving the Alfa around for a couple of weeks, the steering, handling and acceleration are frankly in a different league. I'm sure the changes are a massive improvement over the worn originals but I can't remember how bad it was. Anyway, onwards and upwards, next task is the timing belt & water pump. Holiday is imminent though so no update for a bit.
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I should really learn to clean up after myself.
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That's my rust removing drill attachment stuck into the tyre.

Luckily the tyres only flat at the bottom.
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Also Alfa is busy doing Alfa things:
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That's the oil cooler. Having a ponder what to do here...
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It's got an oil cooler?! Where does that live?

Is it dropping new oil, or look like the leak's been there for a while?

As for the new springs and dampers, I only fitted boggo Bilstein stuff, but if yours is anything like mine, the ride will improve and the stance settle over the first 1k miles or so. Mine looked like it was on stilts when I first got it back on the road.

The 147 has got a rather wacky double wishbone set up at the front? The top wishbone is really jammed in. It looks as though AR decided to fit it in the space intended for a conventional McPherson strut install. Would be interesting to see if it could be made to fit a Multipla
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It's got what we call at work a modene. It sandwiches between the oil filter and engine and diverts oil off to this cooler which is infront of the drivers side front wheel. No idea why a 147 needs it and a Multipla doesn't, sump capacity may be?

It looks to be fresh oil (well its jet black like every other dizzle burner) but I'm monitoring the oil level and i think its a weep not a gush.

I haven't got up close & personal with the Alfa yet but will try to take pics sometime. A Multipla with handling like a 147 would be something special indeed!
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The Multipla suspension packaging is very tight over the front wheels. Both the spring pan and the strut are pretty close to the tyre. I think it was one of the first cars to get springs mounted eccentrically to the strut, which was cutting edge at the time.

As it's a space frame construction there is some wiggle room to be had, if one got inventive with a bit of tin bashing. It's a lot easier to see what's what with the wings unbolted.
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@shedenvy - just out of curiosity, can you measure the distance between the strut tops for both the AR 147 and the Multipla? Also, if you can, an idea of the width of the engine bay for both, measured between the inner wings, at or about the line of the struts/springs, and the height from the top of the strut mounts down to the drive shaft (wheels on the ground)?
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Quote Originally Posted by widemouthfrog View Post
@shedenvy - just out of curiosity, can you measure the distance between the strut tops for both the AR 147 and the Multipla? Also, if you can, an idea of the width of the engine bay for both, measured between the inner wings, at or about the line of the struts/springs, and the height from the top of the strut mounts down to the drive shaft (wheels on the ground)?
Will do WMF, on holiday in Norfolk though at the moment. Saw another blue Multipla like mine today between Cromer and Holt. Unfortunately I was in the Eggs-Type.
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Nice job you're doing.
BTW how do you post pictures AND text together?
You got some alchemy going on in there?
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On mobile version I type some text and then tap the + button to add photos add files.

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Tap insert line option and then carry on typing. Or type it all first and then upload all your pics and then insert them in the right places. If you dont insert into the text it just dumps them all at the end of the post in the upload order.

WMF: i haven't forgotten your request, I even have the tape measure in the Alfa today...

Multi timing tools arriving today so I'm going to try and start the timing belt / water pump over the weekend.
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Right here is the Alfa:
1000mm between strut tops (Yellow)
900mm width of engine bay (Green)
560mm from the strut top face to the driveshaft centre (wheels on ground) (Blue)
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Multi to follow.

I think it'd be useful to know the diff centre line to the bell-housing / block face too so that people could work out how difficult the 6 spd swap would be. I'll try to photograph the gearbox mounts for comparison too.
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Right here is the Alfa:
1000mm between strut tops (Yellow)
900mm width of engine bay (Green)
560mm from the strut top face to the driveshaft centre (wheels on ground)
Same dimensions on the Multipla (approx):
1150mm
930mm
550mm
Respectively.

So, will it fit in the hole? Yes.

Given the generous width perhaps the 2.4jtd is worth considering!

No seriously though i'm not going to do this swap. This particular Alfa may make a good donor because it's an ex CAT D, rough and rusty around all the edges and it needs a new clutch so the box has to come out anyway. I think the Polish legends were alluding to the point that the 147 must have a BCM. To do this swap *easily, you must have to basically re-shell the alfa with the Multipla anything else would require some Jedi level of Auto electrickery. Perhaps thats why they use the 156?

The 6spd box is worth a look though if its as easy as mix and matching the driveshafts. The engine might struggle to pull 6th without a remap though. 140ps should be possible and is plenty in the Alfa. 140ps in the Multipla would be hillarious!
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