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I'm 46 and voted Leave. In 73 I wasn't old enough to vote and have lived with the decision for 43 years. So all these youngsters saying they are the ones who 'Have to Live with it', just remember the oldies have already been there and done it and got the T shirt....

The country had a vote, a decision was made. Get over it and move on. Too many people including politicians are so pre-occupied with the blame game etc. and NOT about sorting this country out.
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24 hours of venomous rhetoric by the vote remain camp while the vote leavers sit quietly.

People voting leave were (aside from the couple of morons they have found to put on the tv) well aware of what the result would do to the pound and stock markets. But we are only 24 hrs in and what was initially knocked off the ftse has mostly recovered already and the value of the pound is down against the dollar which again has recovered a fair amount over the last few hours, it's not that far down against the euro which has been much lower on and off over the last few years. That's how economies work they go up and down dependent on market forces.

The baby boomers are the generation who have felt most aggrieved by the EU and how it evolved from a trade partnership into something that's nothing short of an abusive relationship. So it's understandable they want out. They watch their children (my generation) unable to buy their own homes and facing the biggest longest recession in history, with countries continually needing bail outs while those same countries build new infrastructure and bridges, while we have to make do with billions of pot holes and a high speed rail service plan which will cost tens of billions and those guesses go up day by day.

Our economy will recover quickly and with the rules of Brussels we'll be less restricted.

What's done is done and we're off. Lots of angry people want another referendum, well tough that's not how politics and democratic process works, if it's still a leave what do you do? Best of 5? A vote to remain a second time would need at least a 3rd go to break the tie.

The EU want us to go quickly to remove uncertainty from the economy so go we must.

Over 50% of the U.K. Population voted to leave and to label 51.9% of the country bigoted and racist because they don't agree with your views is not only entirely wrong but completely unacceptable and disrespectful.

We now need to deal with the fall out and make this work, then we as a country can stick to fingers up to the rest of the would and prove that we aren't just some little rock in the Atlantic that used to have an empire but now just follow what some bureaucrats in Brussels tell us.

What ever your view on the result we need to work together to make it work and get things back on course. There are a lot of big possibilities now open to us now and a lot of doors closing, let's make the most of what we have.

The biggest surprise to me is not the result but the moaning from those who don't like the result, that's politics it's been the case for hundreds of years in the UK so get used to it
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Britain's history is full of us hoarding countries together and telling them what they can and can't do. Now that it has been happening to us we suddenly don't like it?
We can say goodbye to a fair chunk of our workers rights (something that BoJo deems as "red tape"), a huge chuck of scientific and medical research will now struggle to find funding and staff after the EU heavily lent a hand in that area.

Personally I felt the EU was a necessary evil. Yes they cracked the whip at us but the pros far outweigh the cons. Now we're once again a silly little rock bumbling our way through the world, more divided than we ever were.
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Just for all those saying the pound is at it's lowest after the vote, the lowest the pound dropped against the Euro was between 2013-2014 down to 1.15, it's currently at 1.23 and steadying. Which will mean it will start to rise again soon.
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However, have you asked any of the baby boomers what they have had to put up with for the last 40 years ? We haven't been asset stripping, that has been done by various Governments and the EU. One example is...in Europe trucks of 42 tonnes weight were introduced. They are too heavy for bridges and culverts in this country and were not allowed in ! the EU TOLD GB that all the bridges and culverts must be upgraded to be able to carry 42 tonnes. I wonder how much that cost ? They have all been upgraded now and it caused tailbacks galore due to the works taking place near me for over 9 months !
It also may be that us baby boomers, who didn't choose when we were born, by the way, have seen this as a way to wake up everyone to what is going on ? The rape of this country's assets by the Luvvies and Government, to ensure their standards of living don't change ?

The only thing you have to remember is that you came into this world with nothing and you will go out with nothing !
As a lorry driver i'll give you the same short answer I give everyone who trots out this old chestnut.... if you don't want lorries on the roads don't buy anything ever again.... the babyboomers have taken the cheap housing,good wages, excellent pensions,lower working hours, extravagant benefits and superior interest rates and dividends on their shares and savings, they have played the housing market boom for the past 50 years and done very well out of it thankyou and now they've denied the future generations the opportunity to enjoy EU funding and a global identity in favour of a faded british bulldog flag and dads army on repeat for all eternity... everyone who voted out should feel deeply ashamed and I promise you all, you will regret it.
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Just for all those saying the pound is at it's lowest after the vote, the lowest the pound dropped against the Euro was between 2013-2014 down to 1.15, it's currently at 1.23 and steadying. Which will mean it will start to rise again soon.

Yep it's more a case of the value of the dollar had increased.

The American won't like this for long as they can buy our stuff cheaply with their dollars but the rest of Europe won't be buying so much of their stuff.

It's just a phase which won't last long
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Last night, a snippet mentioned on 'The Last Leg.." was that the most popular Google search, AFTER the result, was "What is the EU".
I'd like to think that is not true, but sadly, it might well be.
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24 hours of venomous rhetoric by the vote remain camp while the vote leavers sit quietly.

People voting leave were (aside from the couple of morons they have found to put on the tv) well aware of what the result would do to the pound and stock markets. But we are only 24 hrs in and what was initially knocked off the ftse has mostly recovered already and the value of the pound is down against the dollar which again has recovered a fair amount over the last few hours, it's not that far down against the euro which has been much lower on and off over the last few years. That's how economies work they go up and down dependent on market forces.

The baby boomers are the generation who have felt most aggrieved by the EU and how it evolved from a trade partnership into something that's nothing short of an abusive relationship. So it's understandable they want out. They watch their children (my generation) unable to buy their own homes and facing the biggest longest recession in history, with countries continually needing bail outs while those same countries build new infrastructure and bridges, while we have to make do with billions of pot holes and a high speed rail service plan which will cost tens of billions and those guesses go up day by day.

Our economy will recover quickly and with the rules of Brussels we'll be less restricted.

What's done is done and we're off. Lots of angry people want another referendum, well tough that's not how politics and democratic process works, if it's still a leave what do you do? Best of 5? A vote to remain a second time would need at least a 3rd go to break the tie.

The EU want us to go quickly to remove uncertainty from the economy so go we must.

Over 50% of the U.K. Population voted to leave and to label 51.9% of the country bigoted and racist because they don't agree with your views is not only entirely wrong but completely unacceptable and disrespectful.

We now need to deal with the fall out and make this work, then we as a country can stick to fingers up to the rest of the would and prove that we aren't just some little rock in the Atlantic that used to have an empire but now just follow what some bureaucrats in Brussels tell us.

What ever your view on the result we need to work together to make it work and get things back on course. There are a lot of big possibilities now open to us now and a lot of doors closing, let's make the most of what we have.

The biggest surprise to me is not the result but the moaning from those who don't like the result, that's politics it's been the case for hundreds of years in the UK so get used to it
I do believe in democracy, doesn't mean I have to agree with the result.
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I do believe in democracy, doesn't mean I have to agree with the result.
I didn't think it would be long before the insults would start.
In a referendum such as this different people will have different reasons for voting the way they did. It does not mean that they are all thick, morons, racists or bigots.
Are all the immigrants who voted OUT all racist bigots?
My motivation for voting OUT was because the organisation that we joined all those years ago has morphed in to something totally different now.
It is corrupt, corrosive and totally unaccountable. I am a reluctant Outer because I believe that the EU will never reform. In fact it will get worse and tie our country up in more knots as time goes by.
I expect we will eventually be able to control immigration but we will never be able or will we want to stop it completely.
I have worked all my life before being made redundant from a good job. I have travelled to over 50 countries for work and trade with and have good friends all over the world. I voted out because I believe it is the right thing for the country in the long term even though in the short term I lost money even on the day of the result because of the exchange rate because I received a payment in Euros.
Labour seem to think their voters voted OUT as a protest against "Tory Cuts".
As long as they keep believing that they will be out of power forever.
Some people seem to be suggesting that an OUT vote is a wish to turn back the clock and that we will all be unable to cross the channel and Spanish oranges will be a thing of the past! Absolute rubbish.
My vote OUT is to move us forwards not backwards.
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[QUOTE=Gavv8;4181940]As a lorry driver i'll give you the same short answer I give everyone who trots out this old chestnut.... if you don't want lorries on the roads don't buy anything ever again.... the babyboomers have taken the cheap housing,good wages, excellent pensions,lower working hours, extravagant benefits and superior interest rates and dividends on their shares and savings, they have played the housing market boom for the past 50 years and done very well out of it thankyou and now they've denied the future generations the opportunity to enjoy EU funding and a global identity in favour of a faded british bulldog flag and dads army on repeat for all eternity... everyone who voted out should feel deeply ashamed and I promise you all, you will regret it.[/QUOTE
OK - no argument with the trucks. A necessity.
So "baby boomers" are denying you the right to "enjoy EU funding".
We are nett contributors to the EU twice as much as we get back, so unless you are being personally subsidised by the EU in some way because of where you live or the industry you are in, then you are funding the EU, not the other way round.
If you want to remain part of the EU, which keeps adding more and more impoverished countries, how will that help you to buy a house that you can afford?
In many countries in Europe they are having their pensions slashed. As you quite rightly feel strongly about pensions you might want to bear that in mind if the EU is club you want to remain in.
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I stand by my comments regardless of what you say, lines have been drawn in this country by this referendum, I voted with the best interests of my children and grandchildren in mind for their future and I disagree with everything the selfish insular flat world 'leave' voters stand for, and yes I DO believe racism was a prime motivation for a large majority of 'leave' voters... well all I can say is thanks very much and my conscience is clear and I swear if I hear one more person mention the bl**dy war or how we used to be 'Great' Britain i'll throw something at the television... This is the 21st century and we had the opportunity to move forward as Europeans to discover, engage with and be a part of something bigger than us but instead we'd rather sing god save the queen and pretend white is the only colour..pah.
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I agree that this has caused divisions and I really wish that the EU could realise the need to reform itself and then a different outcome would have happened.
We are not disengaging from anything or anybody.
You could always exercise your right to freedom of movement if it gets too unbearable here of course!
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... or how we used to be 'Great' Britain ...
When Britain being 'great' is mentioned, usually by politicians, it always makes me smile.
The origin of the title "Great Britain" is from the French, "Grande Bretagne". Despite our long history of war and disagreement with France, our country is actually named by them.

When trying to learn French, at school and a couple of times since (not succeeded) I have learnt a little history, and that there are many similar words in our languages, but have different meanings.
Grande in French means big. We also use great to mean big in some situations, especially when naming towns and villages. e.g. near me is Great Coxwell and Little Coxwell. My current home is properly named Great Faringdon, to differentiate it from Little Faringdon a few miles away.

There is a region of northern France called Brittany, or to the French, Bretagne. Then there is us, named by the French as 'Big Brittany', or Grande Bretagne, from which we derived Great Britain.

So when people promise to make Britain Great again, they must be talking about its size?
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Glad I never lived in Littlehampton!
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