Tory shenanigans in the 80s and 90s is Chazs speciality so I'll leave that to him. But Trust us when we say it was worse back then.
Your feelings on Mr G.Brown now.
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Your feelings on Mr G.Brown now.
Tory shenanigans in the 80s and 90s is Chazs speciality so I'll leave that to him. But Trust us when we say it was worse back then.
You realise how hard it will be for most of the country to prove their family tree back to the Doomsday Book? (I think its that one you'd have to prove back to to stay according to the BNP)
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i remember watching major on the telly when i was still a toddler and i think he was a good pm.just was the clinton principal ie the press got to involved in his personal life.
If you mean his fingers smelling of curry. You do realise that came out years after he had left office.
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aye i do my origins lie in Ireland, Scotland, England, Scandinavia and Germany. (my mas cousin traced the family tree and from what i can remember was as far back as the saxons)
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Back on topic. I aint a Labour supporter. But Gordon Brown ihas got to be a million times better than what we have had in the past.
i had never actually seen that so thanks for that.torries for the win then
i take it you mean thatcher?
or john major?
she ****ed up what exactly?
and he ****ed up what?
bloody miles better than blair or brown.
another thing is notice how as a country we are going the americans they vote bush in complain how crap he is and vote him in again. we did exactly the same with blair.
Carl, no disrespect but a moment ago you wanted to vote in the BNP without realising they were racist so it doesn't sound as if you have much knowledge of past politics or political parties.
You also ask us to tell you what Thatcher/ Major ****ed up yet you then go on to say they were miles better than Blair or Brown? Perhaps YOU could elaborate as to why that is the case?
Thatcher did some good during her term, but she was so deeply unpopular by the end of the 80's she was forced out of office by her own party. Both her policies and John Major's handling of the economy (he was chancellor of the exchequer from 1989 - 1991) led to the collapse of the UK economy, the withdrawal from the single European Currency and the recession of the early 1990's. Look at my earlier post in this thread where I mentioned what it was like living under the Tories in the 1990's as obviously you're far too young to remember.
On the flip side, the Labour party of the late 70's was also a complete shambles and it wasn't until the party turned itself around in the late 80's/ early 90's that it became worthy of being elected again. Since 1997 the Tories have suffered much the same fate as being a party of shambolic reputation with outdated policies. If they'd put Kenneth Clarke in as leader I'd probably vote for them, but they didn't. Until Cameron came along they had neither the policies nor a charismatic leader. Even so I'm not sure that Cameron has what is needed to knock Labour off their perch.
Politics is ugly, but ignorance and prejudice are more so...
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brown and blair ****ed up by:
oh and if by thatcher ****ing up you mean closing the mines my family are/were miners my great grandad died from pneumonia through mining.
also note that im not of legal voting age anyway so as far as the parties are concerned noone gives a **** what i think anyway.
- creating laws that can/could not be enforced
- they wasted money on creating unnecessary jobs eg in the nhs
- we had to learn of tax increases etc after they had happened
- actually doing anything that bush suggested
oh and if by thatcher ****ing up you mean closing the mines my family are/were miners my great grandad died from pneumonia through mining.
also note that im not of legal voting age anyway so as far as the parties are concerned noone gives a **** what i think anyway.
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To be honest i agree with carl about the BnP. (I havent read the topic yet i just saw BNP posted)
In all seriousness if they were not racist, i would vote for them.
In all seriousness if they were not racist, i would vote for them.
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where in wolvo are you cuz they have apparently got a larger following from there now (my mates are from gornal, sedgley and coseley thats why i ask)
Questions to clarify your statements:
1. What laws were created that couldn't be enforced?
2. What unnecessary jobs were created in the NHS?
3. What tax increases didn't you learn about until after they happend?
4. What did Bush suggest us to do (other than Iraq)?
And post any links to support these statements please.
They base the majority of their manifesto on racism so why else would you vote for them?
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Cosford/Albrighton..... Suburbs to the west. Im in the military so not actually from wolverhampton.
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Questions to clarify your statements:
1. What laws were created that couldn't be enforced?
2. What unnecessary jobs were created in the NHS?
3. What tax increases didn't you learn about until after they happend?
4. What did Bush suggest us to do (other than Iraq)?
And post any links to support these statements please.
They base the majority of their manifesto on racism so why else would you vote for them?
- asbo's created and then not enforced i was threatened with one myself as apparently waiting for a mate to tie her shoe lace is loitering.
- cant remeber where i saw the jobs at the moment when i find the link again ill post it though
- tobacco tax going up.
- afghanistan.
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ah right ok.
Not replying to all of them but:
1) actively enforced here in Cheadle and in practically all of Leicstershire.
2) Can't answer
3) The budget has clearly stated any changes consistantly and accurately for at least the past 10 years!
4) No real comment here
1, Asbos are enforced.
2, Still waiting
3, Tobbacco tax goes up at every budget. Not a labour thing.
4, Aye cos Thatcher wasn't a war hound at all was she.
The millenium Dome was a Conservative operation.
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- not propperly not here at least they are inappropriately awarded and used as a medal (ie people are proud of them)
- lost the link but will find it
- true. i smoke richmond superkings used to be £4 for 20 now £4.80 when tobacco tax pays for dont quote me on this about 30% of the nhs
- falklands was justified was british and argentinians tried to grab it.
- didnt know that
1. Right, so drivers are fined for breaking the speed limit and then they do it again. Serial shoplifters continue to offend despite being previously prosecuted. Does that mean those laws also aren't being enforced? As for ASBOs, most are enforced by local councils and Police. However, unless someone is seen to be breaking their ASBO how else can it be enforced?
2. You can't remember the NHS jobs? Was it that insignificant?
3. Tobacco tax going up - pay more attention to the yearly budget by the chancellor!
4. Afghanistan - this has been going on WAY before Bush jr. AND Bush snr. were in power and involved the Tory party before it involved Labour. And was it was ok for Thatcher to wage war on Iran? Also Go look up the Iraqi "supergun" affair to see the scandals involved with the Tories back then.
millenium dome - It's now called the O2 arena and succefully holds events/ concerts.
id cards - Still at the proposal stage.
nhs it system - What's the problem with it?
multiple reported loss of data through cds laptops - That's down to government agencies/ departments not the government themselves. These are the same agencies/ departments that will operate whichever political party is in power.
