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What's made you not grumpy but not smile either today?

You have more tolerance than me. I wont have any updates applied. The first one administered to noop reduced both performance and mpg. So they have been told at the garage, Touch it again YOU DIE. The trouble is you dont know what they are changing or why. I prefer the sat nav on my phone because its not ibt
interconnected. Car updating its self. No way Hosey Josey!
Aye, does make me feel nervous. I remember when my older boy had the Fabia Scout. It had the 1.6CR diesel which was part of the dieselgate fiasco. Knowing no better he handed it over to the garage to have the official update done - which was supposed to deal with the emissions - It never drove right again!

I think because I have really no hope of doing anything in depth to the Scala I'm not feeling any strong attachment to it, unlike the Panda, which I'm definitely emotionally attached to, so I'll probably just keep it 'till it's out of warranty and, if I'm still driving then, replace it. Maybe with something older and simpler as I definitely won't be doing any more than local journeys by then.
 
I’ve read several land owners who had land taken from them under compulsory purchase, with the land being valued at less than would have been achievable on the open market are now extremely angry at their land being sold off cheaply to big house building companies with the promise of planning permission being a condition of the sale, and those companies are making millions while the original land owners have been completely shafted

Obviously many of these house building companies are owned or chaired by large donors to the Conservative Party….

You can rely on the corruption of the conservatives to remain corrupt.

You can rely on the Labour Party to panda to the whims of the unions and lobiests…

The Liberal Democrat’s only stand for what ever the middle ground between the two main parties is,

Really we need a new party that acts for the country and the good of the majority of the people not rich or the poor.

Some things are ethically bad even if it might save money, some things are good even if it costs us money. Government needs to operate on a common sense approach, but also no government will government will ever get anything right as there is always someone with an opposing view.
Anything that Pandas is OK with me!
 
Just because Tesla cant get it right doesn't mean all automated systems must be bad. Tesla are a bit wreckless.
The nissan drive assist knows when it cant see, with fog, rain, or too much road spray, it warns of bad conditions so it's not available.
 
What this illustrates is that those who look forward to self-driving, are the least capable to drive themselves, and the least able to make rational decisions about driving. They should be on a bus. Or the train they were nearly under.
I disagree with this. The best current self driving cars are infinitely better and safer than the worst human drivers. If you could click your fingers and replace every car on the road with the best currently available self driving technology, than accidents would reduce immensely.

Self driving cars will for example not go well in excess of speed limits, tailgate, and take risky overtaking maneuvers There are many many situations were self driving cars will take careful care and consideration before doing something where a human would take an inappropriate action without any thought.

I look forward to self driving cars not because I want to stop driving myself, but because I see the benefit from all the idiots it would take off the road.
 
I disagree with this. The best current self driving cars are infinitely better and safer than the worst human drivers*. If you could click your fingers and replace every car on the road with the best currently available self driving technology, than accidents would reduce immensely.

Self driving cars will for example not go well in excess of speed limits, tailgate, and take risky overtaking maneuvers There are many many situations were self driving cars will take careful care and consideration before doing something where a human would take an inappropriate action without any thought.

I look forward to self driving cars not because I want to stop driving myself, but because I see the benefit from all the idiots it would take off the road.

*In good conditions on a straight road with nothing complicated about a situation.

Sorry you missed the asterisk.

Also the FSD was speeding in fog towards a train.
 
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You don't think a society totally reliant on automation would be a retrograde step?

Wake up, drive to work in an automated vehicle, to a job that has become largely automated, drive home again in the same automated vehicle, watch AI controlled media, go to bed, wake up to the same routine again and again!
What a boring pointless life, no chance of challenges to encourage creativity or problem solving!
The only high light in such a boring life would be betting on the chance of the computer controls failing and driving you into that train!:)
If that doesn't push up the suicide rate then nothing will! Note this is a sardonic emoji laugh.:ROFLMAO:
 
You don't think a society totally reliant on automation would be a retrograde step?

Wake up, drive to work in an automated vehicle, to a job that has become largely automated, drive home again in the same automated vehicle, watch AI controlled media, go to bed, wake up to the same routine again and again!
What a boring pointless life, no chance of challenges to encourage creativity or problem solving!
The only high light in such a boring life would be betting on the chance of the computer controls failing and driving you into that train!:)
If that doesn't push up the suicide rate then nothing will! Note this is a sardonic emoji laugh.:ROFLMAO:
Young people are already in that state, spending most of their waking lives staring at a phone screen, watching inane fluff, created by other brain-dead zombies. This is why I gave up teaching learners, getting a second brain cell to work with the first is challenging.
 
*In good conditions on a straight road with nothing complicated about a situation.

Sorry you missed the asterisk.

Also the FSD was speeding in fog towards a train.
You can say that about camera based cars and vehicles which have no perception of depth perhaps but even then there are countless incidents of tesla's avoiding accidents ahead in traffic that the driver didn't see or respond to.

given all the accidents involving trains where the driver was not paying attention, in your example above the same exact outcome could have resulted from a non-driverless car so it doesn't really prove anything?

Lidar bases systems are infinitely better able to see through the fog and in poor conditions, and beginning to hit the main stream I hear that the offering from ford is world a part from the tesla system and I believe BMW, Audi and a few others have a few really quite impressive systems coming to market soon.

The problem with relying on news sources for accidents caused by self driving cars, is that they never report the hundreds and probably hundreds of thousands of near misses, or minor prangs that have been avoided. For example cars that are not self driving as such but will stop a car on the brakes if you are about to hit an object at low speed such as when parking using the information from parking sensors.

Yeah I get it you don't like self driving and the news will only ever confirm your dislike by feeding you news stories of when it failed.

But I am at least able to appreciate all the times it succeeded and no harm was done, no incident was reported.
 
You don't think a society totally reliant on automation would be a retrograde step?

Wake up, drive to work in an automated vehicle, to a job that has become largely automated, drive home again in the same automated vehicle, watch AI controlled media, go to bed, wake up to the same routine again and again!
How does that differ from getting the bus or train to work?
 
Young people are already in that state, spending most of their waking lives staring at a phone screen, watching inane fluff, created by other brain-dead zombies. This is why I gave up teaching learners, getting a second brain cell to work with the first is challenging.
I agree, try getting the average person to live without their mobile phone for even one day is largely impossible and yet a few years ago people were outraged about the possibility of identity cards, but now live with a piece of equipment that traces their movements, records their faces and voices, controls what it shows them and they are so happy with it they pay sometimes over a thousand pounds for the privilege and go to sleep with it by their beds.:)
 
You don't think a society totally reliant on automation would be a retrograde step?

Wake up, drive to work in an automated vehicle, to a job that has become largely automated, drive home again in the same automated vehicle, watch AI controlled media, go to bed, wake up to the same routine again and again!
What a boring pointless life, no chance of challenges to encourage creativity or problem solving!
The only high light in such a boring life would be betting on the chance of the computer controls failing and driving you into that train!:)
If that doesn't push up the suicide rate then nothing will! Note this is a sardonic emoji laugh.:ROFLMAO:
arguably the more we can shift on to machines and computers the more it frees us up for creative pursuits?

back in the industrial revolution when people were working 16 hour days and 7 day weeks maybe getting time off to go to church on a sunday, how many people were reading, writing, painting, sculpting, crafting or enjoying other hobbies in their spare time?

and now because of technology they are talking about a potential shift to a 4 day working week freeing up more time for people to pursue what they love.
 
arguably the more we can shift on to machines and computers the more it frees us up for creative pursuits?

back in the industrial revolution when people were working 16 hour days and 7 day weeks maybe getting time off to go to church on a sunday, how many people were reading, writing, painting, sculpting, crafting or enjoying other hobbies in their spare time?

and now because of technology they are talking about a potential shift to a 4 day working week freeing up more time for people to pursue what they love.
But are they more happy, how does the suicide rates compare?
Life is much more stressful.
 
But are they more happy, how does the suicide rates compare?
Life is much more stressful.
studies on 4 day working weeks showed

"Measures of employee stress, burnout, fatigue and work/family conflict all declined.

At the same time, employees reported improved physical and mental health, work-life balance and increased general life satisfaction. Although some employees were still doing some work on their day off, most felt they were more productive and doing a better job.

People reported getting more exercise and more sleep on a four-day week. For families, the results from the UK study were very positive with the time spent by male workers looking after their children increasing by 27%."

i have not directly read the evidence but this is taken from the world economic forum website here https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/10/surprising-benefits-four-day-week/



One thing I should add, in my last job I was commuting an hour each way every morning and evening for work. in busy often stressful traffic.
5 days a week. and about 47-48 weeks a year. This equated to 20 straight days per year sat with full concentration driving in stressed situations.
that is a lot of of time and unnecessary stress that could be avoided if the car took over that job. it is time I could be productive. it is also time I am not being paid for and unable to do anything leisurely not exercise, not read or do other things, so in effect it is 20 days per year I am completely loosing just to get to where I was doing my job.

Ironically I calculated this in my head one morning while stuck in heavy traffic. It was this which prompted me (amongst other things) to shift jobs to work from home)
 
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studies on 4 day working weeks showed

"Measures of employee stress, burnout, fatigue and work/family conflict all declined.

At the same time, employees reported improved physical and mental health, work-life balance and increased general life satisfaction. Although some employees were still doing some work on their day off, most felt they were more productive and doing a better job.

People reported getting more exercise and more sleep on a four-day week. For families, the results from the UK study were very positive with the time spent by male workers looking after their children increasing by 27%."

i have not directly read the evidence but this is taken from the world economic forum website here https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2023/10/surprising-benefits-four-day-week/



One thing I should add, in my last job I was commuting an hour each way every morning and evening for work. in busy often stressful traffic.
5 days a week. and about 47-48 weeks a year. This equated to 20 straight days per year sat with full concentration driving in stressed situations.
that is a lot of of time and unnecessary stress that could be avoided if the car took over that job. it is time I could be productive. it is also time I am not being paid for and unable to do anything leisurely not exercise, not read or do other things, so in effect it is 20 days per year I am completely loosing just to get to where I was doing my job.

Ironically I calculated this in my head one morning while stuck in heavy traffic. It was this which prompted me (amongst other things) to shift jobs to work from home)
There are many things that can make life stressful and I agree spending a lot of time traveling to a job, sometimes one you don't enjoy and is poorly paid would be high on a list. I know my sisters when working in London used to spend hours traveling to jobs.
I have been lucky in some ways that I have generally worked around 40 hour weeks 8:30 to 5:30 with the option to work Saturday mornings if I wished from 1969, when as a teenager my mum would give me breakfast in bed then say "it's 8:25am" I would leap up, wash my face, jump in my car or on my motorbike and be at work by 8:30 am before everyone else ;).
Then when I went self employed in 1982 I had even more control over my working life and the hourly rate was more rewarding.
I could have worked in London and earned 4 x times my income down here, but I realised it was the quality of life that mattered not the money.
The problem these days is workers have lost many of the things I took for granted, secure fairly paid jobs with regular hours. If you know you have to have several jobs on Zero hour contracts with your partner doing the same and knowing you can never earn enough to get a mortgage and buy a home of your own, it must be a horrible tread mill to be on.
People are led to have high expectations these days, being told they can go to University and get massive salaries etc. When the truth is over half those with Degrees never get a career for which they studied for and have massive Student "loans" accruing interest.
I started work as an apprentice on £3:17d per 40 hour week at 15 years old in 1969, I had friends who had been in the C stream at school who worked as builders labourers on £20 per week which made me question my choices, however I have only been out of work two weeks since then and that was my choice as withing those two weeks I was offered a job approx 30% higher wage and finished as foreman there before going self employed in 1982.
That low starting wage as an apprentice I feel was appropriate as I knew nothing but was being trained and learning more on the job. People who gain a Degree then expect to jump into a highly paid career with no practical experience are deluded in my opinion.
The World is full of over qualified and under experienced people, some who get very high up the ladder but those around them know they really haven't got a clue.
The company boss who makes his son start on the shop floor and work his way up shows good sense.:)
 
You can say that about camera based cars and vehicles which have no perception of depth perhaps but even then there are countless incidents of tesla's avoiding accidents ahead in traffic that the driver didn't see or respond to.

given all the accidents involving trains where the driver was not paying attention, in your example above the same exact outcome could have resulted from a non-driverless car so it doesn't really prove anything?

Lidar bases systems are infinitely better able to see through the fog and in poor conditions, and beginning to hit the main stream I hear that the offering from ford is world a part from the tesla system and I believe BMW, Audi and a few others have a few really quite impressive systems coming to market soon.

The problem with relying on news sources for accidents caused by self driving cars, is that they never report the hundreds and probably hundreds of thousands of near misses, or minor prangs that have been avoided. For example cars that are not self driving as such but will stop a car on the brakes if you are about to hit an object at low speed such as when parking using the information from parking sensors.

Yeah I get it you don't like self driving and the news will only ever confirm your dislike by feeding you news stories of when it failed.

But I am at least able to appreciate all the times it succeeded and no harm was done, no incident was reported.

But no accidents that don't happen get reported that's the baseline, the huge majority of driven cars hit nothing everyday.

Again you don't notice a well driven car either..as it gives you no reason to notice it.

But let's see there's 2 problems here...one is the systems, they are generally crap as soon as you're not on an American 6 lanes wide interstate or grid iron pattern on a beautiful sunny day.

But and this is the main problem..they are just good enough to give an idiot a feeling of safety. So they will happily abdicate all responsibility for their own personal safety to it appears trustworthy.

It's not...but it's good enough that in most circumstances you wouldn't realise. They get complacent and then all of a sudden you're on your way to the office...but you're not as the lidar didn't realise there was another car on the otherside of that single track humpback bridge and also the speed limit is 60 so why wouldn't it be doing that over humpback bridge?

If you want to be technological utopian about it why are you going into the office? Surely paperwork of that nature can be completed anywhere? Similar to you, home worker self driving problem solved.

If we ripped all roads up, demolished all existing towns, and got all manufacturers to agree on a universal standard of communication between vehicles and placed an immense amount sensor gear along the new and uniformly constructed roads. Yes that would work...

But that's not what's going to happen..stupid people are going to use stupid cars to have stupid accidents. Tesla boy in the video would be unlikely to have got near that train if he'd not been in a self-driving car.

Oh and looking forward to Lidar from the company that engineered the ecoboost and the MK4 escort? Really?
 
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