Technical Still getting stuck in gear 😭😭😭

[John202020]

Stick with your dot 4, see how it feels

 

[rmjbn1]

I've only ever used DOT4.

It's basically the same as DOT3, it's all brake fluid, but 4 has a higher boiling point.

DOT4 not really needed on our wee cars, but just seems more readily available to me.

I've not heard of any incompatibility issues, but i wouldn't deliberately mix 3 and 4.

 

[sherbsville]

waaaaah! It didn't work. I'm so sad, and traumatised. It went on a traffic light, and I panicked, and couldnt get in gear with the engine off, and kept turning it off an on again, and we missed our go. So many angry faces in my rear view.

I was hopeful, as it defo felt firmer after I bled it, but nope.

It feels soft for idk, about a third to half way down when I press the clutch, then firm and springyish I guess. Its hard to say, as idk about cars, so what I think is springy, others will say isn't.

I'd defo say its getting worse. So time to find a master cylinder I guess.

 

[rmjbn1]

Oh I'm sorry that's a horrible feeling. We've all been there if that helps at all. I once had to get a couple of crusties to push me in my 2CV across Camden High Street with a whole crowd pointing and laughing

Master cylinder can suck air in past the seals when faulty, so if you're reasonably confident you got all the air out when bleeding, a new master is what I'd do next.

This time, you say even engine off it wasn't going into gear, is that right?

Do you have the car home now? Is this still the case?

 

[sherbsville]

Oh I'm sorry that's a horrible feeling. We've all been there if that helps at all. I once had to get a couple of crusties to push me in my 2CV across Camden High Street with a whole crowd pointing and laughing

Master cylinder can suck air in past the seals when faulty, so if you're reasonably confident you got all the air out when bleeding, a new master is what I'd do next.

This time, you say even engine off it wasn't going into gear, is that right?

Do you have the car home now? Is

oh no, not camden high street! PAAAAINFUL

Got home ok. Its changing ok again now. I'm honestly not sure if it was me, or the car. I think both.

Yeah, I pushed thru over 240mls, so I think I got all the air out. It's weird it only happens when the car gets hot. On the way there, I went a different way, and avoided town, and it was ok, and I wrongly thought it was fixed.

 

[rmjbn1]

Yeah they never choose a quiet corner to conk out do they

 

[sherbsville]

Yeah they never choose a quiet corner to conk out do they

it was infront of a super rough pub too, and ppl were drinking outside.

 

[rmjbn1]

Ah well I think your car was trying to tell you something then

 

[sherbsville]

crying, laughing, and throwing up.

it just got ere. it already has fluid in it. is it ok to mix, or should i chuck this fluid?

thankyou!

ps pooping a lil too

 

[rmjbn1]

I would mix, personally.

Who knows if it's DOT3 or DOT4 in there.

I've certainly added DOT4 to an unknown quantity before and nothing terrible happened.

 

[rmjbn1]

Depends how brave you're feeling...

As you have the new pipe with half a connector left over from the slave cylinder you've already fitted...

And now you have another length of new pipe with the other half a connector on the new master...

This would be an opportunity to replace the old pipe from the slave and have a complete new hydraulic system.

Not critical, but tempting

 

[sherbsville]

Depends how brave you're feeling...

As you have the new pipe with half a connector left over from the slave cylinder you've already fitted...

And now you have another length of new pipe with the other half a connector on the new master...

This would be an opportunity to replace the old pipe from the slave and have a complete new hydraulic system.

Not critical, but tempting

Turns out I'm wonder woman, as I was already planning to do this!

Im soooooo looking forward to removing the battery again! Seriously. Even more than the tooth extraction I need, as I don't have 2 million quid for a root canal.

Best. Day. Ever.

 

[sherbsville]

Turns out I'm wonder woman, as I was already planning to do this!

Im soooooo looking forward to removing the battery again! Seriously. Even more than the tooth extraction I need, as I don't have 2 million quid for a root canal.

Best. Day. Ever.

omg this is doing my head in so much. There are literally NO videos atall that show how to do it properly. From start to finish. The one vid has the bloke showing where to take it off, but not when he removes it, or connects it, I have no idea atall where the long bit of metal goes, or what its attached to.

Like, do I need to go under the car to attach the connector? I can't see it from above. In that case I need to go up the ramp before I take the battery out.

I guess I'm just gonna uncrew it later, and see what happens. I will go up the ramp incase. And make a vid to help someone else. I'm scared as I need to know what to do first, and not just wing it. It's so frustrating.

edit: ok. update. not doing it today, as woke up feeling rubbish, and feel even worse now. id defo mess it up. also, i wanna make a good vid, and it wouldnt happen today. hopefully it doesnt rain all day tomorrow.

 

[sherbsville]

erm, help pls?

i thought id see how they go together, before I do it...erm? they dont stay together? What am I doing wrong pls, ty.

edit: heres i what i ordered, and what they sent. did they send the wrong thing, or am i doing something wrong? ty.

The numbers are different, and it says panda, but i know some panda parts are the same. so i wanna know before i call on monday.

Edit: i googled the part number, and its meant to be right, so why doesnt it fit? Do i need another part pls?

 

[rmjbn1]

I've never touched the connector, sorry, I can't help much

I'm looking on the yootoob to see what I can find.

@DaveMcT have you connected one of these clutch qd joints, please?

Should this nylon collar not be on the male part?

 

[sherbsville]

I've never touched the connector, sorry, I can't help much

I'm looking on the yootoob to see what I can find.

@DaveMcT have you had one of these clutch qd connectors apart, please?

Should this nylon collar not be on the male part?
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thankyou so much. I tried it with it on, and it still fell out.

edit: i went under the car, and heres my connector.

 

[rmjbn1]

Well, looks dry at least.

Here's someone else had the same issue trying to attach the two halves of a new QD connector:

Disconnection of hydraulic pipe to clutch | FIAT 500 (2007+)

There is a chunky "quick" connector in the solid pipe to the slave cylinder on the clutch. It's located near the passenger wheelarch. For some reason the casing has cracked rendering theclutch inoperative and it seems I will need to replace the second part of the pipe onto which this coupling...

www.fiatforum.com

@John202020 suggested quite some force is needed to force the two together :/

 

[jrkitching]

I would mix, personally.

Who knows if it's DOT3 or DOT4 in there.

I've certainly added DOT4 to an unknown quantity before and nothing terrible happened.

They can be safely mixed with no issues. Just don't use DOT5, which is completely different and totally incompatible.

Dot 4 has a higher boiling point (which may be relevant in high performance brake applications), but it also absorbs water more readily than Dot 3 and should be changed more frequently.

For the clutch application, where temperature isn't an issue at all, I'd use Dot3 in preference, simply because it will absorb less moisture.

But in practice you can just use whatever you have available. I'd recommend changing it every two years regardless; easy enough without dismantling once you've done it a few times. There isn't a lot of fluid volume in the system and the clutch gets used far more frequently than the brakes.

We had lots of white sludge and I am pretty sure the cause was the two grades of fluid. I asked my garage man and he seemed to think contamination inside the new cyclinders

I've seen this on a brand new Panda fresh from the factory. Best guess is that it's residue left over from the manufacturing process, possibly something used as a release agent or lubricant on the seals.

Changed the clutch fluid when the car was around 2 months old and the issue didn't recur. Continued to change every two years thereafter; the clutch hydraulics are still good after 15yrs/115k.

 

[sherbsville]

Well, looks dry at least.

Here's someone else had the same issue trying to attach the two halves of a new QD connector:

Disconnection of hydraulic pipe to clutch | FIAT 500 (2007+)

There is a chunky "quick" connector in the solid pipe to the slave cylinder on the clutch. It's located near the passenger wheelarch. For some reason the casing has cracked rendering theclutch inoperative and it seems I will need to replace the second part of the pipe onto which this coupling...

www.fiatforum.com

@John202020 suggested quite some force is needed to force the two together :/

omg ure amazing, tysm. idk it seems like one bits too small? but on the pic in that thread they have that cream plastic bit on it.
im not sure how to force it in, like force it to where? Australia?

Yeah, i was happy it looked dry. I guess tomorrow I will try and change the master, and leave the pipes alone, and do them another day when im 100% theyre the right bits.

tysm! i didnt think of searching here, doh! i did in the past, but my brain forgot.

 

[sherbsville]

They can be safely mixed with no issues. Just don't use DOT5, which is completely different and totally incompatible.

Dot 4 has a higher boiling point (which may be relevant in high performance brake applications), but it also absorbs water more readily than Dot 3 and should be changed more frequently.

For the clutch application, where temperature isn't an issue at all, I'd use Dot3 in preference, simply because it will absorb less moisture.

But in practice you can just use whatever you have available. I'd recommend changing it every two years regardless; easy enough without dismantling once you've done it a few times. There isn't a lot of fluid volume in the system and the clutch gets used far more frequently than the brakes.

Oooh ty, good to know when I need to change it too.

I will try without taking the battery out first, but I only have baby ramps, so idk it will work out.