Technical Smell + noise?

[Gman88667733]

I think you can do it.
Let us know.

I don't have a heat gun of any sort. Perhaps that needs to be one of my next investments!
Bit gutted really, I was going to wait until the correct tool turned up, but decided to give it a go anyway and now look where we are!

 

[jackwhoo]

I don't have a heat gun of any sort. Perhaps that needs to be one of my next investments!
Bit gutted really, I was going to wait until the correct tool turned up, but decided to give it a go anyway and now look where we are!

Gas hob in kitchen?

 

[jackwhoo]

Camping stove.

Neighbour with gas blow torch?

Know any plumbers?

 

[koalar]

yes they are thread locked

plus they tend to grow together with corrosion

heat it the answer. I just use a cheap plumber blowtorch

 

[DaveMcT]

Your local parts merchant may well have new pad carriers for less than the cost of rescuing that old one.

Granny and eggs mode on -

Don't forget that a bolt which unscrews away from you has to be turned clockwise from your viewpoint.
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- Mode off

Threadlock only has to be got to 120C to soften the adhesive. But if the bolt was done up by a (badly) trained gorilla you'll never shift it.

I have a cheap Torx/Spline/Hex key set with long and short keys that cost about £15. Stupidly cheap but works fine for my DIY needs.

 

[jackwhoo]

Your local parts merchant may well have new pad carriers for less than the cost of rescuing that old one.

Granny and eggs mode on -

Don't forget that a bolt which unscrews away from you has to be turned clockwise from your viewpoint.
​

- Mode off

Threadlock only has to be got to 120C to soften the adhesive. But if the bolt was done up by a (badly) trained gorilla you'll never shift it.

I have a cheap Torx/Spline/Hex key set with long and short keys that cost about £15. Stupidly cheap but works fine for my DIY needs.

Pad carriers are dealer only- usually non stock, or if you are very lucky brakesinternational may have them or scrap yard / ebay used.

 

[DaveMcT]

Pad carriers are dealer only- usually non stock, or if you are very lucky brakesinternational may have them or scrap yard / ebay used.

That explains the high prices

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FIAT-PANDA-1-2-PETROL-2012-DRIVERS-SIDE-FRONT-BRAKE-CALIPER-CARRIER/283755171715?hash=item4211204f83:g:duwAAOSwB09YDdJL

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FIAT-PANDA-DYNAMIC-1-2-2004-PASSENGER-SIDE-FRONT-BRAKE-CALIPER-CARRIER/274223223181?hash=item3fd8fa518d:g:6MoAAOSwfZ1WYEqe

 

[Gman88667733]

Dropped it off with my local garage. Seems to think he can get it out, but may have to make the hole bigger and put a time-sert in it to accommodate the new slider pin. He says it looks cross threaded currently.
We will see!

 

[Pugglt Auld Jock]

My heart bleeds for you Gman. I could have so easily have been in your position. I had problems with various things that needed "fettling" after we bought our Becky - 2010 Panda Dynamic Eco. Sorting out the very noisy front brakes was one. It might amuse you to read what I posted on the forum at the time: https://www.fiatforum.com/panda/459983-beckys-brakes-few-surprises.html?459983=#post4339097

Apart from the problems I had getting the bottom pins out I also found the top pins would not unscrew. I must have been so near to snapping one off, just like you, I prefer not to think about it. In the end I decided to leave them alone when I found that I could gently slip the end of a small flat bladed screwdriver under the pin's rubber boot and work it over the end of the pin. Then you can simply slide the caliper off the pin, leaving the pin in place. I did this again last year at service time just to clean up and lube the pin.

It frustrates me that I can't remove these pins but I'm getting on fine doing it this way so I'll probably just leave them alone unless/until the pins corrode and need to be renewed. When/if that time comes I'll be applying plenty of heat and shocking them with my special Vibro Tool. At least the carrier can be removed and worked on in the vice. The pins on my Ibiza screw straight into the one piece casting of the hub itself so repair is a considerably more difficult operation - and much more expensive if you need to buy a new hub! - I have noticed on mine that the drilling for the hole the pin screws into has been drilled so deeply into the carrier that it's just broken out at the other end which leaves me a wee hole which I am squirting Plus Gas into from time to time in the hope that it may help if I ever need to try to undo it.

I'm sure the pin will be "hard metal" high tensile steel probably, so not easy to drill. I'll be very surprised if the garage can't sort it for you and would make a guess for you at a cost around the £40 to £80 depending on what their labour rate is. Of course I'm probably wildly out with that guess so please do let us know how it goes and, if you don't mind, what it cost? I've got my fingers crossed for you that all goes well and doesn't cost too much.

regards
Jock

 

[Gman88667733]

My heart bleeds for you Gman. I could have so easily have been in your position. I had problems with various things that needed "fettling" after we bought our Becky - 2010 Panda Dynamic Eco. Sorting out the very noisy front brakes was one. It might amuse you to read what I posted on the forum at the time: https://www.fiatforum.com/panda/459983-beckys-brakes-few-surprises.html?459983=#post4339097

Apart from the problems I had getting the bottom pins out I also found the top pins would not unscrew. I must have been so near to snapping one off, just like you, I prefer not to think about it. In the end I decided to leave them alone when I found that I could gently slip the end of a small flat bladed screwdriver under the pin's rubber boot and work it over the end of the pin. Then you can simply slide the caliper off the pin, leaving the pin in place. I did this again last year at service time just to clean up and lube the pin.

It frustrates me that I can't remove these pins but I'm getting on fine doing it this way so I'll probably just leave them alone unless/until the pins corrode and need to be renewed. When/if that time comes I'll be applying plenty of heat and shocking them with my special Vibro Tool. At least the carrier can be removed and worked on in the vice. The pins on my Ibiza screw straight into the one piece casting of the hub itself so repair is a considerably more difficult operation - and much more expensive if you need to buy a new hub! - I have noticed on mine that the drilling for the hole the pin screws into has been drilled so deeply into the carrier that it's just broken out at the other end which leaves me a wee hole which I am squirting Plus Gas into from time to time in the hope that it may help if I ever need to try to undo it.

I'm sure the pin will be "hard metal" high tensile steel probably, so not easy to drill. I'll be very surprised if the garage can't sort it for you and would make a guess for you at a cost around the £40 to £80 depending on what their labour rate is. Of course I'm probably wildly out with that guess so please do let us know how it goes and, if you don't mind, what it cost? I've got my fingers crossed for you that all goes well and doesn't cost too much.

regards
Jock

Well, it is all sorted. He drilled into it and got a Time-sert in and it is all flush and square.
He said the old one was cross threaded into it.
No idea of the cost, it was about 1.5 hours between dropping it off and getting the email to say it was done. He did say it was a pain though.
He said he will just add a bit onto the cost of the tyres and tracking when I go back tomorrow for that.

Cheaper to buy a new carrier, but I didn't want to then cause him issues by rearranging my appointment for the tyres tomorrow.

 

[jimboy]

Hey Gman, you are certainly having a time of it with your car. Am I wrong in thinking you haven’t had the the car too long? Inheriting problems is a pain, you get to the stage where you have just to bite the bullet and finding more problems after more. We have all been there at some time..

Best of luck.

 

[Gman88667733]

Hey Gman, you are certainly having a time of it with your car. Am I wrong in thinking you haven’t had the the car too long? Inheriting problems is a pain, you get to the stage where you have just to bite the bullet and finding more problems after more. We have all been there at some time..

Best of luck.

Got the car in January.
I'm sure a lot of it is self inflicted by me wanting to learn more so I'm trying different bits and then encountering issues!
Getting there though. After I put the new slider pin in and get the new tyres on, I can leave it all alone for a good while.
I am trying not to get too frustrated by it as it could be an awful lot worse!

 

[DaveMcT]

Bearing in mind one side was butchered you would be wise to get a new carrier for the other side. If it's not needed, just re-list it on eBay. Thanks to Jack for mentioning there are very few on sale.

I press a dab of Action Can CS 90 high solids anti seize into the backs of open threads. It's sticky stuff so doesn't run out like lesser products. I had a right old time doing wife's Panda alternator because one of the lower bolts had become weathered. They are drilled right though. Thanks for that one Fiat.

 

[Gman88667733]

Bearing in mind one side was butchered you would be wise to get a new carrier for the other side. If it's not needed, just re-list it on eBay. Thanks to Jack for mentioning there are very few on sale.

I press a dab of Action Can CS 90 high solids anti seize into the backs of open threads. It's sticky stuff so doesn't run out like lesser products. I had a right old time doing wife's Panda alternator because one of the lower bolts had become weathered. They are drilled right though. Thanks for that one Fiat.

Well the other side was stuck solid, couldn't move it at all. The slider I did get out (sort of) looked nearly new, so I may leave the other one as it and just slider the caliper over it to regrease when needed. If it becomes an issue I'll tackle it with the breaker bar.
But I agree, I will get a carrier in advance if I do take it out!

 

[jimboy]

Got the car in January.
I'm sure a lot of it is self inflicted by me wanting to learn more so I'm trying different bits and then encountering issues!
Getting there though. After I put the new slider pin in and get the new tyres on, I can leave it all alone for a good while.
I am trying not to get too frustrated by it as it could be an awful lot worse!

Ah well fair play for having a go yourself and being honest. I personally love working on my vehicles, but my body these days is shouting back The lack of servicing is the main cause of a lot of problems, you could add rust/corrosion at the top of the list but that is caused by lack of servicing. It’s a learning game, but you do learn. Even cleaning things up when checking on parts like the braking system, lubricating can help later on. As time goes by invest in good tools, keep an eye out for bargains.

 

[jackwhoo]

Got the car in January.
I'm sure a lot of it is self inflicted by me wanting to learn more so I'm trying different bits and then encountering issues!
Getting there though. After I put the new slider pin in and get the new tyres on, I can leave it all alone for a good while.
I am trying not to get too frustrated by it as it could be an awful lot worse!

The jobs we learn most from are the jobs we struggle with. You are doing very well.

It looks like those slide pins were designed to stay in for the life of the vehicle!

Great you have found a garage with the skills to fit a thread insert and who are prepared to do it correctly.

I'm sure they appreciated you wanting to fix it so as not to change your appointment (-:

 

[Gman88667733]

What I was going to ask, the new slider comes with 2 identical boots. Given the old caliper slider didn't come off properly, what way do the new boots go on?

 

[Gman88667733]

The jobs we learn most from are the jobs we struggle with. You are doing very well.

It looks like those slide pins were designed to stay in for the life of the vehicle!

Great you have found a garage with the skills to fit a thread insert and who are prepared to do it correctly.

I'm sure they appreciated you wanting to fix it so as not to change your appointment (-:

I hope so too.
It definitely helps having people that know what they're talking about to talk to.

 

[Gman88667733]

Do the boots go on like picture 1 or 2?

 

[jackwhoo]

Do the boots go on like picture 1 or 2?View attachment 210132View attachment 210133

Pic 1