General Removing the oil filter?

[AnthonyH]

I have some of those and very useful, however if that bolt is aluminium it may just chew up.
I would hate to have to buy my tools again at todays prices.

Ahh yes, you've hit the nut on the head. Aluminium sump, aluminium plug.

I've bought a pump to get the oil out the dipstick.

Atleast the sump won't rust like on the Puntos.

 

[bugsymike]

It'd be interesting to see your hammers.

That's a bit personal.
Reminds my of a bit of risky banter at a pub I used to frequent in the 80s, a rather overweight lad was haveing the mickey taken out of him and he replied "it's not the length of the nail, it is the size of the hammer".

 

[s130]

I would recommend an Irwin bolt extractor set. However, I bought my set five or six years ago and it seems to have gone up a bit in price - £96 on Amazon!! I'm sure they're available elsewhere.

I was thinking:


A: One of those pin sockets that will adapt to odd shapes. Also a low torque impact wrench to shake the plug loose.

B: Drill the plug and use an extractor

As also previously suggested localised heat on the sump casing around the plug. Fit whatever sockets will snug up to the plug to try and keep it cooler.

 

[bugsymike]

I was thinking:


A: One of those pin sockets that will adapt to odd shapes. Also a low torque impact wrench to shake the plug loose.

B: Drill the plug and use an extractor

As also previously suggested localised heat on the sump casing around the plug. Fit whatever sockets will snug up to the plug to try and keep it cooler.

I was given one of those pin sockets by a well meaning brother in law, but remain unconvinced as to it's durability in practice, unless the one he gave me was "el cheapo".

 

[AnthonyH]

I have the oil pump, i checked that the inlet pipe fits into the sump through the dipstick. The oil filter is only on hand tight now and can be loosened easily.

The car gave me one last scare, i couldn't get the oil filler cap off by hand! Which probably shouldn't have surprised me, but its loose now.

The oil doesn't arrive until Monday, is there much danger in draining it tomorrow, or should I wait until I have the oil?

 

[AnthonyH]

I was thinking:


A: Also a low torque impact wrench to shake the plug loose.

I bought one for this job. It didn't have much torque but i reckoned it'd shake the plug and loosen it. When that didn't work i sent it back.

One of those pin sockets that will adapt to odd shapes.

Sounds interesting, what exactly are they?

 

[s130]

Sounds interesting, what exactly are they?

An example: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Socket-Spanner-Square-Sockets-Universal/dp/B09FLP89M8

There are also 'surface drive' sockets. The profile of the socket has curved drive faces that drive on the centre flat sides on a bolt head and not on the corners. I'm trying to recall there exact name.

 

[bugsymike]

An example: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Socket-Spanner-Square-Sockets-Universal/dp/B09FLP89M8

There are also 'surface drive' sockets. The profile of the socket has curved drive faces that drive on the centre flat sides on a bolt head and not on the corners. I'm trying to recall there exact name.

To me they are an interesting idea , but when you look at the size of drive adaptor you know you will not be undoing any very tight wheel nuts with it.
I much prefer a good quality impact socket the correct size used with a 3/4 adaptor on my 3/4 long bar, just used controllably to progessively undo tight nuts/bolts.
Not to put excessive force on, just an effortless smooth pull where required.

 

[s130]

To me they are an interesting idea , but when you look at the size of drive adaptor you know you will not be undoing any very tight wheel nuts with it.
I much prefer a good quality impact socket the correct size used with a 3/4 adaptor on my 3/4 long bar, just used controllably to progessively undo tight nuts/bolts.
Not to put excessive force on, just an effortless smooth pull where required.

That was an example Bugsy. I'm pretty sure full 1/2 inch drive versions are available.

As for 3/4 inch, I have a full set of bars and sockets and they are essential for some car and Al-Ko axle hub nuts. 1/2 inch just bend when put under real loads.

 

[PuntoHowTo]

An example: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Socket-Spanner-Square-Sockets-Universal/dp/B09FLP89M8

There are also 'surface drive' sockets. The profile of the socket has curved drive faces that drive on the centre flat sides on a bolt head and not on the corners. I'm trying to recall there exact name.

I have one in my tool box, though Ive never used it or needed to.

I’m not sure it would be a lot of use for a rounded bolt and I’m pretty sure it has a fairly low max torque figure

 

[s130]

I have one in my tool box, though Ive never used it or needed to.

I’m not sure it would be a lot of use for a rounded bolt and I’m pretty sure it has a fairly low max torque figure

Most rounded nut have their apex corners ripped off but between the corners/apexes are often still intact. This is where (not always) a surface drive socket can be useful and all the force is placed on the fattest part of the bolt head and not the thinner corners.

 

[AnthonyH]

I used the oil pump to get oil out of the dipstick. It took around half an hour to get it up to temperature, using idle only, and 5 minutes to extract.

I then loosened the oil filter housing and oil poured out. It then took me half an hour to tidy up! The new filter fitted properly and so now i'm waiting for the new oil to arrive, hopefully tomorrow.

I tried to prevent the spill from the oil filter by putting a hose over an outlet pipe near the filter but it didn't make any difference. How exactly is that outlet pipe supposed to work? I've got a picture of the unit below and circled it in red.

 

[bugsymike]

I used the oil pump to get oil out of the dipstick. It took around half an hour to get it up to temperature, using idle only, and 5 minutes to extract.

I then loosened the oil filter housing and oil poured out. It then took me half an hour to tidy up! The new filter fitted properly and so now i'm waiting for the new oil to arrive, hopefully tomorrow.

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I tried to prevent the spill from the oil filter by putting a hose over an outlet pipe near the filter but it didn't make any difference. How exactly is that outlet pipe supposed to work? I've got a picture of the unit below and circled it in red.

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As I understand it you only have to turn the filter cover a little to allow the valve to open then oil flows from that pipe, if you turn filter cap too much then oil will flow past O ring.
Conversely when having trouble with oil cooler on 1.6 Doblo MJ I had three pattern housings until I got one to work without oil leaking out of that faulty valve on their products, thinking back I only fixed it by robbing the bits off the original !!!

 

[AnthonyH]

As I understand it you only have to turn the filter cover a little to allow the valve to open then oil flows from that pipe, if you turn filter cap too much then oil will flow past O ring.
Conversely when having trouble with oil cooler on 1.6 Doblo MJ I had three pattern housings until I got one to work without oil leaking out of that faulty valve on their products, thinking back I only fixed it by robbing the bits off the original !!!

I get that. Its possible some oil was going into the pipe, but i couldn't see it because the pipe was used earlier and was already black.

 

[bugsymike]

That was an example Bugsy. I'm pretty sure full 1/2 inch drive versions are available.

As for 3/4 inch, I have a full set of bars and sockets and they are essential for some car and Al-Ko axle hub nuts. 1/2 inch just bend when put under real loads.

I agree, once you get onto big vans and commercials 3/4 drive is the basic.
I rebuilt the axle on one of my Iveco Daily's twin wheel and to undo the hub nut took the 3/4 drive socket and bar plus 3 foot of scaffold tube and my then roughly 16 stone standing/bouncing on it, the air 3/4 drive and the 110volt Makita 3/4 drive wouldn't shift it.