this one isnt coming to the uk. if it did then it would cost a lot more.
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i've been predicting the chinese invasion for years. people laugh and say chinese means cheap and nasty, they'll stop laughing soon.
The Chinese invasion will come to a sudden end, when the workforce realises that they too can ask for remuneration amongst other internal problems.
The one above the merc rip off is a very convincing astra rip off!
Not sure about that. China is still a communist country and as such is run with a rod of iron. Step out of line and the authorities come crashing down on you very quickly, so it is unlikely we will see strikes, unions and people demanding workers rights. They haven't even sorted out their bad human rights record yet. However, all it takes is a revolution and the rest of the world will lose their cheap goods!
the average income of production and transportation workers in china is 12300 yuan (less than £800). lets imagine that changed and it tripled, it would still be cheap as chips labour if you're selling your products in america or europe at the prices in those markets. however chinese culture makes strikes and pay disputes highly unlikely. the cost of living is so low that increases to wages could never make labour expensive in china within my lifetime.
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http://www.italiaspeed.com/2008/cars/industry/02/tata_jlr/0402.html
fiat group get the access to platforms (new suvs?), alfa get into the american dealer network, tata get a worldwide market for the nano..........
fiat group get the access to platforms (new suvs?), alfa get into the american dealer network, tata get a worldwide market for the nano..........
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Aren't we forgetting a little group called Ferarri!
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Just to put a few things straight:
Maserati are developed with Ferarri not Alfa
Ford are making a big mistake selling Jaguar and Landrover - Landrover has the best 4x4's offered by any manufacturer and jaguar has the brilliant XK and the new XF which is car of the year 2008. Ford sold Aston Martin just as things were looking up (the new vantage) and now are going to do the same to Landrover and Jaguar.
Ford would have sunk both brands if they had stayed in ownership and although TATA may be a cheap and nasty brand they wont be building the cars but they'll be able to get both brands into china. This will allow TATA to bring there cars over here to - and even they will be cheap and rough as arseholes it may have a positive effect on other manufacturers who will bring out ultra cheap cars for say 4 grand but with none of the build issues. :bang:
Maserati are developed with Ferarri not Alfa
Ford are making a big mistake selling Jaguar and Landrover - Landrover has the best 4x4's offered by any manufacturer and jaguar has the brilliant XK and the new XF which is car of the year 2008. Ford sold Aston Martin just as things were looking up (the new vantage) and now are going to do the same to Landrover and Jaguar.
Ford would have sunk both brands if they had stayed in ownership and although TATA may be a cheap and nasty brand they wont be building the cars but they'll be able to get both brands into china. This will allow TATA to bring there cars over here to - and even they will be cheap and rough as arseholes it may have a positive effect on other manufacturers who will bring out ultra cheap cars for say 4 grand but with none of the build issues. :bang:
maserati used to be developed with ferrari but they've been passed on to alfa hence why the alfa 8c uses the V8 which is rumoured to go into the 159 GTA.
land rover you're right about making the best 4X4's but jaguar are running a loss.
imo the new jaguars are bland and look terrible. the XF looks like the mondeo. and i'm not a fan of that either! ford have ruined jaguar. xj220 stunning looks. but why did they use the V6 in the production car?? but jaguar haven't released anything great since then. jaguars have always been big cars but they ended up making the s class and the other one. they're supposed to be good cars but they're not true jags!
Fiat 500 is car of the year 2008. Well in the main car of the year competition anyway.
Unfortunately, before Ford came along Jag had only made 3 different engines since 1948. The XK 6 cylinder series, the V12 and what I think was called the AJ40 which was in itself a version of the XK. There's no way they could compete with BMW, Merc and Audi not to mention Lexus with those motors. They also didn't have the all important diesels. The 2.2, 2.7 V6 and the new V8 were, I think, developed with, or by, Peugeot/Citroen and are used by both Jag and LR. There's no way Jaguar by themselves could have developed them on their own or even made enough vehicles for 3 different engine ranges. On that basis they would never have made those engines, therefore no diesels. Same with the V8 petrols. They needed Ford's money for those as well and it was the Ford link with Aston that enabled that company to have a new engine. Don't forget also that the V12 Aston engine started out as a Lincoln.
You may not like what Ford has done, but Jag, LR and Aston still exist which without the Yanks they certainly wouldn't.
You may not like what Ford has done, but Jag, LR and Aston still exist which without the Yanks they certainly wouldn't.
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True - international car of the year. XF is what car - car of the year (sorry about that.
Just to update on the comment earlier the new Maserati coupe is still developed with Ferarri - it has the F430 4.3 V8 engine.
I personally don't think the 500 was worth all the hype. It has a nice interior but some of the plastics are cheap and the build isn't great. It also has a tiny interior - i'm 6ft3 but I cant fit into the 500. The outside of the car is not bad looking and I prefer it to the mini but it's not really my cup of tea - hence why i'm waiting for my new panda to arrive.
Just to update on the comment earlier the new Maserati coupe is still developed with Ferarri - it has the F430 4.3 V8 engine.
I personally don't think the 500 was worth all the hype. It has a nice interior but some of the plastics are cheap and the build isn't great. It also has a tiny interior - i'm 6ft3 but I cant fit into the 500. The outside of the car is not bad looking and I prefer it to the mini but it's not really my cup of tea - hence why i'm waiting for my new panda to arrive.
almost every single sentence is nonsense, how is that putting things straight?!
wrong, not since 2004.
in your opinion LR are the best, sales figures do not reflect that. even though LR are profitable it is hardly a big deal for ford. jag have made losses for many years now. ford cant afford to keep subsidising the losses and they cant sell LR seperately to jag due to shared facilities. ford are selling both brands to save money, they've made huge losses lately and need to do something about it.
ford sold AM after it made a profit for the first time in 40 years. so yes things were looking up, but ford were losing cash badly and needed to do something, AM was considered the least successful part of the business that could be sold, so business wise it was the right choice at the time. AM was an insignificant part of ford's balance sheet, it was the right decision.
what does TATA have to do with china?
TATA have no plans to sell any of their asian market vehicles in europe, they arent idiots so they know you need to have a product that is suitable for the market you intend to sell it in. rather than developing their own products to do this they are buying established brands that they will use instead. thats the whole point of this purchase.
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If your 6ft 3" your not going to buy a 500 anyway. Not unless your a R'Tard.
Jug hit the nail on the head there I think. Do your research before posting s***
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Maserati ARE developed using Ferrari parts. End of story.
Whether you agree with my POINT OF VIEW then that is down to you as it is just my point of view I think you'll find the freedom of speech act still applies. Whether LR have the worst sales figures or not they still produce the best 4x4 range.
How am able to see if I can fit into the 500 if I don't try it? The Mini is virtually the same size and I have no trouble in getting comfortable in that. If FIaat had put the seat lower instead of too high people of my height would fit into it and it would be a viable opinion - as Fiat didn't it's not.
Whether you agree with my POINT OF VIEW then that is down to you as it is just my point of view I think you'll find the freedom of speech act still applies. Whether LR have the worst sales figures or not they still produce the best 4x4 range.
How am able to see if I can fit into the 500 if I don't try it? The Mini is virtually the same size and I have no trouble in getting comfortable in that. If FIaat had put the seat lower instead of too high people of my height would fit into it and it would be a viable opinion - as Fiat didn't it's not.
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How am able to see if I can fit into the 500 if I don't try it? The Mini is virtually the same size and I have no trouble in getting comfortable in that. If FIaat had put the seat lower instead of too high people of my height would fit into it and it would be a viable opinion - as Fiat didn't it's not.
What are you smoking?. The mini is huge!. Its a lot bigger than a 500 and a tad bigger than a Punto (not the grande)!.
alfa romeo and fiat and lancia do share some parts with ferrari, as do maserati, but "development" of maserati (as in the engineering of cars) is now completely seperate to ferrari, and has been since february 2005. it would have happened sooner if the cash was available, but fiat couldnt afford to do it until GM bought their way out the collaboration.
check this brief AR history, it explains it more clearly at the bottom of the page.
http://www.lifeinitaly.com/italian-cars/alfa-romeo-history.asp
AR use selespeed, which uses the same parts as some ferrari models. does than mean my car was developed by ferrari, or does it mean it is simply part of the same group as ferrari :chin:
you are entitled to your opinion, but only if it is an opinion, not made up facts
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