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General Ice and Panda's dont mix.

Hmmm - From a personal view, I've done 1000+ laps on various tracks, all over the world (well; France, Germany, New Zealand and the UK...;))...As well as BARC circuit racing for a season and a bit, along with some hillclimbing / sprinting / autotesting thrown in...

All of the above does give you an understanding of vehicle behaviour at the limits...And encourages you to be smooth on the controls / keep the car well balanced...But is no subsitute whatsoever for proper IAM style training / roadcraft...the track teachs you very little about reading the road ahead, imho...

90% of the time, on the road, I drive like Miss Daisy - Prefer automatics, and would leave every driver aid switched on...The 100HP is for the other 10%, when conditions allow a bit of fun...:D

I reckon fully switchable ESP should be fitted to every new car...You'd likely see a fair reduction in accidents, especially in wet conditions...

Anyway, (y) to Dave, for getting his car back...
 
Hellcat said:
They giving it new wheels? If so how many? And is it getting some winter or all-season tyres? :)

As for the continuing track vs road debate...

I don't really see how track experience can help on the road. On a track it's all about being smooth, being prepared. Choose your line, brake at the right spot, turn in, hit the apexes, accelerate out. Unless you're willing to risk trashing your car you'll never really find it's limit. I only lost the back end once while pushing the Tipo - despite the track being damp and cold.

The track surfaces are much smoother than a notmal road, even the bumps approaching tower at croft are nothing compared to the potholes you find in the real world.
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It's not necessarily about being smooth. You have to get the car moving about. Once you do that you learn about car control. This translates to any situation. Even road driving. Apex's and braking points change from lap to lap with tyre temperature etc. There is much more to it than you are alluding to.

I drive a car very hard on track, what is the point of doing anything else? In the Teg I will be sideways on the turn in through trail braking then i'll nail it through the apex to pull it straight whilst drifting towards the exit. As long as the car can take it, it isn't a problem. So you need to be driving beyond the limit of mechanical grip.
 
trackdayqueen said:
I suppose what worries me is that I have experienced a situation where ESP really upset the attitude of the car and would not let me 'drive it'. This very nearly caused what would have been a nasty accdient. So in effect I don't really trust ESP as it seems to interfere with what i'm doing.
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Ahh, yeah i do agree with that. If you were in a situation where you knew you could get out of it, and then the esp prevented that or interfered i can see how that may be an issue.
 
Hellcat said:
Of course he wouldn't be driving like that on a road. That was an on track extreme situation.
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I can still see his point though. I'm glad that the panda is fixed though and back on the road. :)
I don't see enough panda 100hp's up here. :(
 
Great news about the car Dave. I'll bet you're well chuffed.

I must say though, what has this thread turned into???

A Guy drives a Panda in some treacherous conditions, and has a mishap. It could happen to ANY of us.

Why has the thread gone into the depths of modern science about the new safety aspects of modern vehicles???

For gods sake, the car slid into a curb. End of!!!
 
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Hellcat said:
Of course he wouldn't be driving like that on a road. That was an on track extreme situation.
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Well she wasn't.

It was on track and no I wouldn't ordinarily be driving that quickly on the road. However it is possible in reasonably quick road driving to misjudge the amount of grip available, so a similar situation could occur.
 
trackdayqueen said:
Well she wasn't.

It was on track and no I wouldn't ordinarily be driving that quickly on the road. However it is possible in reasonably quick road driving to misjudge the amount of grip available, so a similar situation could occur.
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About 40 posts with people reffering to you as 'he' yet you choose mine?

Seems you didn't know how to drive a car with ESP. It's ok, I'm sure with practice you'll learn to control the car correctly.
 
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Fluoxetine said:
Hmmm - From a personal view, I've done 1000+ laps on various tracks, all over the world (well; France, Germany, New Zealand and the UK...;))...As well as BARC circuit racing for a season and a bit, along with some hillclimbing / sprinting / autotesting thrown in...

All of the above does give you an understanding of vehicle behaviour at the limits...And encourages you to be smooth on the controls / keep the car well balanced...But is no subsitute whatsoever for proper IAM style training / roadcraft...the track teachs you very little about reading the road ahead, imho...

90% of the time, on the road, I drive like Miss Daisy - Prefer automatics, and would leave every driver aid switched on...The 100HP is for the other 10%, when conditions allow a bit of fun...:D

I reckon fully switchable ESP should be fitted to every new car...You'd likely see a fair reduction in accidents, especially in wet conditions...

Anyway, (y) to Dave, for getting his car back...
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Halleluyah - the most accurate post yet in this hijacked thread.

Road craft is all about observation, appropriate speed and keeping the car balanced (y)(y)

Drifting round corners on opposite lock is not road craft - some might call it car control, others might call it showboating.


Dave - so glad the car is bad and sorted for you. Just hope no-one else has a similar incident as the server will explode.
 
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