General Ice and Panda's dont mix.
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General Ice and Panda's dont mix.
TDQ you do need to get off that high horse sometimes. You seem to give the opinion that everyone is lesser than you....
My car slid down hill on ice and was written off. I am such a terrible driverThings happen you live and learn
Since I have been commented on several times on here, I'll just add my two penn'orth. Oh well clearly I am also useless, my previous six years of accident-free driving count for nothing. I could drive that car the 15 miles to work and back in torrential rain with DSC off and keep it on the road and invested £200 EACH in tyres........but one night with it ON it couldn't save me due to road conditions. That's obviously what happened to the OP also. No matter how much you look after your car and try and drive safely and with your full attention, sometimes accidents happen and you become a passenger in your own car, nothing you can do to control it. Sometimes there's a div speeding or with duff tyres or overtaking on a blind bend but sometimes it just happens
EDIT - it wasn't that DSC wasn't working that I posted, it was that it kept kicking in because the roads were so slippery - a few weeks before I killed it.
Anyway, I've seen that kind of damage on a 100hp before (over bumpy ground), wonder if it's a weak point?
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TDQ you do need to get off that high horse sometimes. You seem to give the opinion that everyone is lesser than you....
My car slid down hill on ice and was written off. I am such a terrible driver
If you end up driving on an ice rink there really is very little you can do. All I can offer is my experiences and my perspective. If that makes you feel inferior how can I be responsible for that? It is not how I intend my posts to come across.
......but one night with it ON it couldn't save me due to road conditions. That's obviously what happened to the OP also. No matter how much you look after your car and try and drive safely and with your full attention, sometimes accidents happen and you become a passenger in your own car, nothing you can do to control it. Sometimes there's a div speeding or with duff tyres or overtaking on a blind bend but sometimes it just happens
I totally agree sometimes there is simply nothing you can do, it does happen. I have not criticised Dave at all, he simply drove onto some ice and at that point there is nothing he can do. My point earlier in the thread is that ESP etc would not make any difference in this situation.
your posts do come across like that. maybe you should think about what you are posting before you post it. Or perhaps review this thread again and look at what you are posting and peoples responses to your posts. Its not just this thread. You have the same manner right through.
Oh and i dont feel inferior to you btw!
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Update:
Pick it up tomorrow evening.
All done nearly, 4 wheel alignment and having its first service tomorrow.
Faultless service from my local dealer Picadilly, kept me updated regular with the progress and got on with the job fast and sorted me a courtesy car out asap. :worship:
Hopefully it well be like new again.
Just need to burn the £10 of petrol I put in the courtesy car off :devil:
Pick it up tomorrow evening.
All done nearly, 4 wheel alignment and having its first service tomorrow.
Faultless service from my local dealer Picadilly, kept me updated regular with the progress and got on with the job fast and sorted me a courtesy car out asap. :worship:
Hopefully it well be like new again.
Just need to burn the £10 of petrol I put in the courtesy car off :devil:
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I agree that the driving test is completly useless, and it should be compulsory to get advanced training or skid pan training as part of getting your licence. Saying what other hope you have got apart from relying on ESP is just not justified. Does experience of driving on public roads not give you better knowledge then doing a few track days? Yes, you maybe able to learn car control on a track, but a track is a controlled environment and public roads are not.
I'm just not convinced that this would give you a HUGE advantage on public roads. It's not just about your car control, you have to deal with other peoples actions and a specific course in driver training when you pass your test would be a worthwhile addittion i think.
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I agree entirely. But how can you tell if someone avoids an accident it was their driving skill, or the ESP or other safety devices that have helped more? What if our 100HP's had the esp that couldn't be turned off and you took action in a situation, how would you know that the esp and your driving skill didn't both work together to keep you safe.
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I have ESP on mine and although never used, it is reassuring that it is there if a situation arises. I have known of a situation where another driver has had ESP kick in for them and it probably saved their life. Regardless of petty arguments that alone in my opinion is reason enough for it being on a car.
I suppose what worries me is that I have experienced a situation where ESP really upset the attitude of the car and would not let me 'drive it'. This very nearly caused what would have been a nasty accdient. So in effect I don't really trust ESP as it seems to interfere with what i'm doing.
I think you mistake me for being worried about how I come across. I'm not all that worried about it tbh.
I'm glad you are not feeling insecure at the moment.
I think whilst of course the longer you have been driving on the road contributes greatly to your experience of how to weigh up and deal with potential hazards, I do also think that learning how to control a car at high speeds albeit in a controlled environment greatly enhances your car control at much slower road speeds.
Sure you have to deal with other road users, that's what experience tells you. I've been driving on the road for nearly 20 years. But I do agree better and more holistic driving would certainly help new drivers
Oh and glad you got your car sorted Dave.
TDQ, do you not see that ESP, traction control and all the other expensive acronyms are only a hinderance for 0.01% of drivers? An embarrassing amount of people don't even pump their tyres up.
Well i'm beginning to see now!
Yes I do understand your point. Most drivers aren't even interested in cars so it is no wonder they do nothing to improve their driving. How often have you got in a car with someone who's been driving 30 years, to find that they still drive much the same as they did when they passed their test? It's just not a priority or interest for most and I guess that's why we have all these safety devices.
You're getting there, it's a slow process but keep up the good work
The tyre thing was something I experienced. Someone criticised me heavily for doing 90mph on an open straight dual carriageway where they regularly sat at 65-70. They said I was dangerous.
Later transpires the other driver didn't even lift the bonnet between annual services and was running 12psi in two of the tyres. At 70mph.
Many, many drivers really wouldn't benefit from an advanced test. Maybe we would though, as the chances are they would never pass.....
The tyre thing was something I experienced. Someone criticised me heavily for doing 90mph on an open straight dual carriageway where they regularly sat at 65-70. They said I was dangerous.
Later transpires the other driver didn't even lift the bonnet between annual services and was running 12psi in two of the tyres. At 70mph.
Many, many drivers really wouldn't benefit from an advanced test. Maybe we would though, as the chances are they would never pass.....
Ah see I have had this also: I felt like it was interfering. But you have to have the attitude of letting it intefere and do its job and trust it. IME DSC/ ESP kicks in, you have to keep on turning the wheel/ foot to floor even when it's trying to throw you off and if you let go or try and control things as you would manually, it goes haywire. I found it hard to trust the electronics after a car that was 100% under my control and it took me a while to adapt........and it's taking me a while to adapt back again and trust my own ability.
Obviously I can't speak for individual situations, this is only IME
Glad it's sorted Dave....Keep us posted on the tyre wear and if it affects it at all....
They giving it new wheels? If so how many? And is it getting some winter or all-season tyres?
As for the continuing track vs road debate...
I don't really see how track experience can help on the road. On a track it's all about being smooth, being prepared. Choose your line, brake at the right spot, turn in, hit the apexes, accelerate out. Unless you're willing to risk trashing your car you'll never really find it's limit. I only lost the back end once while pushing the Tipo - despite the track being damp and cold.
The track surfaces are much smoother than a notmal road, even the bumps approaching tower at croft are nothing compared to the potholes you find in the real world.
As for the continuing track vs road debate...
I don't really see how track experience can help on the road. On a track it's all about being smooth, being prepared. Choose your line, brake at the right spot, turn in, hit the apexes, accelerate out. Unless you're willing to risk trashing your car you'll never really find it's limit. I only lost the back end once while pushing the Tipo - despite the track being damp and cold.
The track surfaces are much smoother than a notmal road, even the bumps approaching tower at croft are nothing compared to the potholes you find in the real world.
good news about the car dave
you should be made to drive on the motorway on your driving lessons, nearly everyone I knew who passed were really nervous about it.
you should be made to drive on the motorway on your driving lessons, nearly everyone I knew who passed were really nervous about it.
