jameshobiecat
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http://www.gizmag.com/wet-weather-braking-tests-show-budget-tires-dont-pay/10850/
http://www.gizmag.com/wet-weather-braking-tests-show-budget-tires-dont-pay/10850/
them new fridge stickers show wet braking on a straight and not wet handling don't they?
215/45/R17 correct size for the original Abarth Grande Punto Wheels, a Conti SC3 costs £125 roughly..... winters are expensive..... thats why I asked about the Falken ones! £221 for the Conti Winters....
Try finding them for the upgraded 18" Alloys, 215/40/R18 - SC3 - £188 fitted.... Then the Conti Winters = a whopping £305 a tyre!!!!
t1rs have an excellent tread pattern, a lot of the expensive tyres are now designed to last longer with less road noise better mpg, compromising on wet performance with a dreaded bead in the tread that goes the whole way around the tyre and becomes useless if it gets a stone in it.
you need a soft compound that wears quicker for wet grip as well as a tread pattern that pushes the water out from under the tyre
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You are the only person I've ever seen on the internet who does this whole "there are certain tyres that if they get a stone in them are useless" routine.
Methinks that it's a myth.....
when it becomes common knowledge remember you heard it here first then,
try other websites 225/45/18 Vredestein winters were less than your quote last week on mytyres.co.uk
also try camskill although they dont often have a good price/choice on winters
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Vredestein Wintrac xtreme
"designed to protect you"
215/45 R17 91V XL with rim protection ridge
only £ 123.20 on my tyres delivered. fitting you should be able to find for £10 a wheel all in
I park on gravel a lot and I didn't really pay any attention before but I had a look and my tyres have so much gravel in the tread, no wonder every puddle my wheels end up spinning like crazy.
best tires ive ever had for rain was cheap toyo t1r's
Still, there are decent tyres to be had for 120 or 130 quid which is a way away from 175!
You are the only person I've ever seen on the internet who does this whole "there are certain tyres that if they get a stone in them are useless" routine.
Methinks that it's a myth.....
I asked about the Falkens, you said no so the cheapest was £175, the next winter tyre at £130 was a Falken and then £105 Falken as well.... Are you changing your mind??
A stone will stop the water from draining/moving along the tyre channel so it will affect how much water is between the tread block and the road and give you more chance of having less grip, I would expect it to be comparable to having a few less mm of tread in certain conditions (I have no proof though, just assuming the channel capacity of new vs worn tyres and the stone having the same affect). It would not make a tyre "useless" it would affect its ability to remove the water and give a better contact patch with the road though
Lastly, you get what you pay for!! You also drive to the conditions of your tyres and their capabilities. Knowing you have ditch finders means you are slower in corners and leave a bigger braking gap I would expect/hope. Yes cheap tyres are worse at handling and braking, even a little bit, but how you drive and how much you like to spend is completely up to anyone and lets leave it at that before we do a cheap/expensive tyre war!!!!
Well... -- this page says...
Tires full of stones are less than ideal. However, there is nothing you can do about it. If you get very sharp stones wedged in there they can cause a puncture, so getting them out is a good idea. Certain tread and sipe patterns tend to grab more stones than others. I would check the tire pressures: Under-inflated tires will grab more pebbles than a harder tire.And this one...
Winter (snow) tires are made using very soft compounds, and they inherently "pickup" road debris (small stones, sand particles, etc.). The tread design is also a factor. I ran Blizzaks until this year when I went with Dunlop snow tires. Looking at the two tires, I believe that Blizzaks clear debris better than the Dunlops. I think it has to do with the tread design. I like the way the Dunlop snows drive better than the Blizzaks, but the Blizzaks self-clear a little better.I'm sure I could find plenty more examples if I wanted to... -- but I have better things to do with my time...!
Sorry, @dave: you're not quite the prophet we all thought you were! How my expectations have been dashed! I shall now go and sit, quietly sobbing, in a dark corner, somewhere....
price i posted wasnt for a 225Firstly Holy Multi-Quote BATMAN!
I cannot use 225/40 they rub slightly I have been told, its annoying as they are normally £50 a corner cheaper!! but thanks for the information I will have a look around.
And the thing is that sometimes you want the tread to hold onto stuff as well. The sipes in winter tyres are designed to spread and trap snow because snow on snow or ice gives more friction than rubber on snow or ice.
The tread holding onto things isn't always a negative
Double mix up there dave, you said 225/45/R18 in the top partprice i posted wasnt for a 225
Vredestein Wintrac xtreme
"designed to protect you"
215/45 R17 91V XL with rim protection ridge
only £ 123.20 on my tyres delivered. fitting you should be able to find for £10 a wheel all in
On the plus, wheel spinning makes you look like a badass and attracts all the woman.
When the snow was piled up in the work car park there was a period where I got parked by the door for a good week or so because no one else could get into this space
not really been following this thread but am finding it hilarious how long a discussion about wheel spinning on a wet road can go on for