Technical Gearbox thinks it's in 1st when in neutral!

[koalar]

All cars do that in neutral

Theres a slight drag, internally in the gearbox which is enough to spin the wheels when they are off the ground.

 

[WildFeraligatr]

All cars do that in neutral

Theres a slight drag, internally in the gearbox which is enough to spin the wheels when they are off the ground.

Should the passenger wheel be going that fast though? I can't stop it with my foot or anything.

If that's true I'll bring it down off the jacks because it's gone from the drivers wheel spinning to going at the same pace as in that video so maybe something in the gearbox has changed

 

[koalar]

Do it the other way

Engine off both wheels should spin freely in neutral (with drag)

And at least one jam solid if in a gear

 

[WildFeraligatr]

Do it the other way

Engine off both wheels should spin freely in neutral(with drag)

And at least one jam in a gear

Spin freely in both directions?

What do you mean by the second part? As in, the issue is a jam in a gear?

 

[koalar]

When in gear engine off

At least one wheel will be connect directly to the engine so will not turn at all.

In neutral it will spin all the way round. It will not spin freely as soon as you stop pushing it will stop spinning. Internal drag from the gearbox

Unlike the rear wheels which should spin freely and after you stop the wheel should continue for some time.

 

[koalar]

Yes in neutral makes no difference

Engine off

Wheel should spin both ways

 

[WildFeraligatr]

Yes in neutral makes no difference

Engine off

Wheel should spin both ways

Right i took a few videos which should hopefully explain things better than I can lol

 

[koalar]

Cheers neutral is as expected and is definitely correct

Wheels spinning in neutral, engine running, is also as expected

1st isn’t what I expected.

Maybe I am wrong?

 

[WildFeraligatr]

I'm unclear what you mean when you say one wheel is connected directly to the engine.

From what I've seen both are connected to the diff in the gearbox via the driveshafts?

Also - I tested in all gears and had the same result.

If it's the same in neutral as it is in gear, then what is that indicating?

 

[MrMagoo]

Decades ago, my daft brother installed a clutch the wrong way round in a series 1 Renault 5, and it would only select 1st and I think 3rd gear; he was the noisiest bugger in the neighborhood.
Gearbox and clutches do weird things...

 

[koalar]

I'm unclear what you mean when you say one wheel is connected directly to the engine.

From what I've seen both are connected to the diff in the gearbox via the driveshafts?

Also - I tested in all gears and had the same result.

If it's the same in neutral as it is in gear, then what is that indicating?

Had to think about this as it rare I have both wheels of the ground

In gear the opposite wheel will turn in the opposite direction

So again everything looks normal

 

[WildFeraligatr]

Had to think about this as it rare I have both wheels of the ground

In gear the opposite wheel will turn in the opposite direction

So again everything looks normal

Both wheels spin reasonably freely in both directions, whether in gear or neutral. Is that normal?

Again, regardless of if the gearbox top appears to be in gear or in neutral, the wheels are doing more or less the same thing.

 

[koalar]

Both wheels spin reasonably freely in both directions, whether in gear or neutral. Is that normal?

Again, regardless of if the gearbox top appears to be in gear or in neutral, the wheels are doing more or less the same thing.

Yes normal

If there’s two of you there

And you turn the wheels the same direction, there will be a difference between in gear and neutral

 

[WildFeraligatr]

Yes normal

If there’s two of you there

And you turn the wheels the same direction, there will be a difference between in gear and neutral

I'll give it a go with my other half tomorrow and report back then

 

[DaveMcT]

With both wheels off the ground, the differential will feed power to the side with least resistance. One wheel will turn, the other side might not turn. It's normal. You can stop the turning side and power will go to the other side. It's how differentials work.

 

[WildFeraligatr]

I'll give it a go with my other half tomorrow and report back then

Tried spinning the wheels just now, regardless of if the gearbox was 'in gear' or not per the selector plates the wheels moved in different directions and we couldn't get them to move in the same direction. Tried it with a couple of gears and had the same effect

 

[koalar]

Tried spinning the wheels just now, regardless of if the gearbox was 'in gear' or not per the selector plates the wheels moved in different directions and we couldn't get them to move in the same direction. Tried it with a couple of gears and had the same effect

That correct for in gear

But you should be able to spin the. Wheels the same direction in neutral

 

[WildFeraligatr]

That correct for in gear

But you should be able to spin the. Wheels the same direction in neutral

Nope - no matter how hard we tried we couldn't do it.

So the problem is inside the gearbox then?

 

[koalar]

Nope - no matter how hard we tried we couldn't do it.

So the problem is inside the gearbox then?

If it was working before the engine swap I doubt anything in the gearbox has died there pretty robust

 

[WildFeraligatr]

If it was working before the engine swap I doubt anything in the gearbox has died there pretty robust

So what are the other options?

The clutch seems to work fine disengaging the engine from the gearbox and I was reasonably diligent in putting it back together properly so I can't see what else it could be