General engine swap

[allanallan]

Yeah, but it's a lot more straightforward and considerably cheaper to drop the 8v in there. The 1242 8v swap has been covered quite extensively in the past.

ya but whats the point when u dnt get much gain from it

 

[SuicideUK]

the 8v is believed to be a lot more tunable than the 16v

Luke.

 

[randomizered]

See my sig for both my 1.2 16v and 1.4 16v progress threads.

1.4 16v IS quicker than 1.2 16v, BUT the difference between the two in camparison to the jump from the 1.1 8v to a 16v is no where near as great.

Availability and cost of the 1.2 16v is in its favour. I actually did the 1.2 16v and ran it for a while ONLY because it took me about 1 1/2 years to source a 1.4!

OT: allanallan, any relation to allanhellen? :devil:

Kristian

 

[chaos]

ya but whats the point when u dnt get much gain from it

I really think you ought to do a search and see what people who have fitted the 1242 think.

 

[arseofbox]

ya but whats the point when u dnt get much gain from it

Theres more gain that youde expect.

 

[fingers99]

The gains from any of the engine swaps are well worth while. This is probably more a function of the lightness of the car than anything else. But it does mean that the turbos and 1.4s give a massive hike.

It's fun to work out or look at power to weight ratios against the opposition.

The 1.4 engine is harder to get than the 1.2, but has become far easier now.

If you were to source and fit the brakes and suspension now and start seriously looking for an engine, I recon you'd probably have one by the time you'd finished. And really, uprating the stopping and handling bits first is the sensible way to go.

 

[fatty]

After driving a Punto 60 for a while I think I can see how itwould be a good conversion. It seems a very tourqey engine for its size and Pulls the Punto along quite well so I imagine in a Cinq its going to be even better. Sure a 16v is gunna give you more gain but realistically are you going to do it? The 8v drops almost straight in. With some bolt on Modifications(manifold, Exhaust, tricker TB, gsr and a remap) you could see over standard 1.2 16v power for prolly less money (if you source a lot of the parts 2nd hand) and hassle.

Thats pretty much why i've decided on the 1242 8v. Plus it'll be my 1st engine change so I wanted something simple haha.

 

[ycming]

may be you should consider a power to cash ratio ?????

Then see, which give u a better deal!! Am pretty sure the 1242 8v will win that, if u were going to get a garage to do it for u.

Ming

 

[arc]

aside from a 10mm exhaust spacer, fitting a 1242 is exactly the same as just replacing the 1108 with another 1108. much much much much simpler and cheaper.

 

[fatty]

Could the Exhaust spacer thing be over come by fitting a 4 branch manifold? I assume this would have to be a Punto 4 branch as a pose to a cinq one to make up for the deeper engine?

 

[arc]

depends on the path that the exhaust takes under the engine, you may need to modify the centre section as well.

I have a supersprint manifold, but one of the earlier ones that will fit a 1242 cento - the newer ones don't.

for the stock system, an exhaust spacer is easy enough to get hold of. any place that makes exhausts should recognise this;

 

[fingers99]

I don't think the Punto one will fit. Remember, there's a lot more space in a Punto engine bay. But extending one for the 1108 is possible.

In all this, the Punto 60 conversion is cheap and easy DIY. It produces a very nippy little car which -- on decent tyres -- is very easy to drive seriously hard.

But the high boost turbos and the 1.4s really have it. Utterly different in character, and the 1.4 is a much cheaper, easier to live with car. More expensive to insure, but what the hell. It's DIYable: the EVO crew and Kris have proven that.

I tell you, as the owner of a 1.1 high boost turbo, Emmas 1.4 (never been in Kris's) is one hell of a car!

 

[arc]

I think using the punto75 manifold and some jiggery pokery works well if you're budget concious.

i dont know myself.. mines all stainless steel

 

[allanallan]

i only have a £1000 at the mo so sounds like i need to keep saving to i get about £2000 and then go for the 1.4 16v anyone on hear wont to fit it for me give me a price for the lot from brakeing to the engine

 

[allanallan]

can sum1 tel me what 1.4engine im looking 4 what are the codes and is it a punto

 

[fingers99]

I've no space or time (have Blue to rebuild and money to make, and a 1.2 supercharged project very much on the back boiler). But, DIY it. The build on Emma's car is almost an instruction manual. All the difficult stuff has been prototyped and sorted.

I recon it could be done for £1500 DIY easily. But start with the brakes, tyres and suspension. That really is easy and can be done outside on the street with basic hand tools. You will feel the difference even with a stock engine!

 

[allanallan]

I've no space or time (have Blue to rebuild and money to make, and a 1.2 supercharged project very much on the back boiler). But, DIY it. The build on Emma's car is almost an instruction manual. All the difficult stuff has been prototyped and sorted.

I recon it could be done for £1500 DIY easily. But start with the brakes, tyres and suspension. That really is easy and can be done outside on the street with basic hand tools. You will feel the difference even with a stock engine!

i cant diy coz i dont no antthink about cars or i would give it ago

 

[GoBe]

Well, learn then. Seriously! Get your self a Haynes or Porters workshop manual, a cheapish tool kit and teach your self motor mechanics. I know of at least 2 people having done 1.1 to 1.2 8v conversion with virtually no hands on mechanical skills.

 

[arc]

I know of at least 2 people having done 1.1 to 1.2 8v conversion with virtually no hands on mechanical skills.

make that 3, i learnt most of what i know on my car with hands on experience

 

[allanallan]

Well, learn then. Seriously! Get your self a Haynes or Porters workshop manual, a cheapish tool kit and teach your self motor mechanics. I know of at least 2 people having done 1.1 to 1.2 8v conversion with virtually no hands on mechanical skills.

my uncle sort of a mechanical he works at a garage doing mot testing and he put new disk and pads on for me last week and he has keys for the garage so im going to get him to do my brakes and that for me can some1 give me a list of all i need for the brakes and do i need to do anyfink to the handling