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Technical ELD Unavailable etc, where's the brake switch?
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Technical ELD Unavailable etc, where's the brake switch?
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Red is not free, and so green/orange is free? I'm not sure. Looks like I may have misread it.
Could you please advise on what to buy to test with Alfaobd, I'm really unsure of what I can do now.
Only ones in black is free
Cable should work with alfaobd free to read the ABS code
I have used a similar cable to clear an airbag code on a panda
Unfortunately it's not a program I have used on a laptop
First we need to make sure the drives for the cable are installed correctly
Go into device manager and look at
Ports com and lpt
Some instructions here link below
www.disco4.com
Cable should work with alfaobd free to read the ABS code
I have used a similar cable to clear an airbag code on a panda
Unfortunately it's not a program I have used on a laptop
First we need to make sure the drives for the cable are installed correctly
Go into device manager and look at
Ports com and lpt
Some instructions here link below
Webasto Thermo Test Setup - DISCO4.COM Knowledge Base
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Alfaobd doesn't appear to support ABS over KKL cable, looks like needs to be ELM?Only ones in black is free
Cable should work with alfaobd free to read the ABS code
I have used a similar cable to clear an airbag code on a panda
Unfortunately it's not a program I have used on a laptop
First we need to make sure the drives for the cable are installed correctly
Go into device manager and look at
Ports com and lpt
Some instructions here link below
Webasto Thermo Test Setup - DISCO4.COM Knowledge Base
Possible let me check
It certainly does on the panda 169
It's just the dash you can't connect to using this cable on the older pandas
Have you read the ECU codes yet?
Correct the later post 2012 use Bosch 9 (CAN)
Your not going to get anywhere with that cable
Sorry you have nothing able to read the abs
Let's have a recap of all the symptoms and what's been tried
Start stop has never worked so is likely to be a separate issue,
The ABS, ELD, Hill Hold error started mid journey
Has it ever gone off, since it failed or is it a hard fault
Was the earth under the battery tray ever checked ?
What we know
The shift lights work, clutch switch is probably okay
new battery, same
New brake switch, same
Worth doing a visual inspection but doubt there's any connection to the work carried out
Also worth unplugging each connector, and plugging it back in, checking the wires haven't been damaged by twig or similar
Start stop has never worked so is likely to be a separate issue,
The ABS, ELD, Hill Hold error started mid journey
Has it ever gone off, since it failed or is it a hard fault
Was the earth under the battery tray ever checked ?
What we know
The shift lights work, clutch switch is probably okay
new battery, same
New brake switch, same
the 4x4 uses a different part number, what the differences are I don't know
So it was running fine for a couple of months after and failed mid drive,
Worth doing a visual inspection but doubt there's any connection to the work carried out
Also worth unplugging each connector, and plugging it back in, checking the wires haven't been damaged by twig or similar
Haptron
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The earths look okay, I’m not sure what it would look like if it wasn’t though.
The sensors also look okay and connected, again not sure what would have changed. Which bit/where would be worth cleaning to see if anything is failing due to that?
I can’t see why they would randomly fail, but the errors suggest SOMETHING ABS related, but no clue what.
If you have a multimeter you can do a voltage drop test, very quick, to confirm or eliminate the earth, without the need of guessing
A key difference will be that non 4x4 Pandas have rear drum brakes, but the 4x4 uses rear disks. So very likely the ABS sensor has different mounting?
Haptron
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That makes sense I guess, they all look quite similar online.
Yes does looks like something brake or power related
Lots of things use the abs
Speedo
Electric power steering
ABS
Hill hold and so on
Some are working some are working fine some are not
Unfortunately, once fixed by accident, it's not diagnosed any further
I know of two battery fixes may or may not have been the fix, one stopped failing two days before the battery was changed, and one had the battery changed, it didn't fix the problem, but the problem went away a few days later, in both cases if the suspect battery was put back into the car and the fault reappear we would know if the battery was indeed real cause
Several more, the threads go dead, we never know what if anything fixed the problem
It's unlikely to be a slightly faulty sensor, as when the car is stationary, and the ignition is switched on, it shouldn't give an error until after you start to move off, then it will see the speed difference
.it will detect an open or short at power on
Haptron
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@Herts Hillhopper @koalar Local garage did a scan, it's a rear ABS sensor failure. None auto parts online appears to have a suitable part in stock (I'm guessing no longer made?). Hopefully it is this and not the magnetic disk thing in the hub.
I can only find a few parts on ebay, some say suitable for 4x4 some say not (but both look identical).
Reckon this will be suitable?
If it fits the diesel 4x4, surely it must fit the petrol 4x4.
I can only find a few parts on ebay, some say suitable for 4x4 some say not (but both look identical).
Reckon this will be suitable?
If it fits the diesel 4x4, surely it must fit the petrol 4x4.
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Great - shows the benefit of reading the fault codes
But, did they tell you which side?The magnetic ring 'can't' fail -- it's either there, or missing. But the sensor can stop working, and is very easy to damage (including when fitting a new one)
As to whether that's the correct part or not, I can't tell you. But, another interesting thing in top menu of this forum is access to ePER -- the Fiat parts catalogue, where you can look up the part number and find out. If I'm reading it correctly (and I hesitate because altough the description says Twin Air 4x4, which has to mean disk brakes, the diagram shows drums) the part number is 51900397 (from here https://eper.fiatforum.com/en/Drawings/Detail/F/F/GIN/33/331/2/70/0/SubSubGroup?MVS=31917D001470), which is different to the part number you had on your link.
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Yep rear left.Great - shows the benefit of reading the fault codes
The magnetic ring 'can't' fail -- it's either there, or missing. But the sensor can stop working, and is very easy to damage (including when fitting a new one)
As to whether that's the correct part or not, I can't tell you. But, another interesting thing in top menu of this forum is access to ePER -- the Fiat parts catalogue, where you can look up the part number and find out. If I'm reading it correctly (and I hesitate because altough the description says Twin Air 4x4, which has to mean disk brakes, the diagram shows drums) the part number is 51900397 (from here https://eper.fiatforum.com/en/Drawings/Detail/F/F/GIN/33/331/2/70/0/SubSubGroup?MVS=31917D001470), which is different to the part number you had on your link.
Thanks for the catalogue link, that seems to match another part on ebay https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/186176158232 . Looks more expensive for an image that looks identical to the cheaper one, but seems fairly reassuring it should be the correct part, and hopefully will resolve the issue.
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More usefully, now we have a part number, you can put that into this forum's favourite Fiat parts shop and order it:
https://www.shop4parts.co.uk/?name=store&op=Results&keywords=51900397 (£31 plus VAT for genuine Fiat original part)
If you call them, they'll be able to confirm it's the right bit. If you donate to this forum they offer a shop discount.
https://www.shop4parts.co.uk/?name=store&op=Results&keywords=51900397 (£31 plus VAT for genuine Fiat original part)
If you call them, they'll be able to confirm it's the right bit. If you donate to this forum they offer a shop discount.
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Any advice on fitting? The garage said to be careful as if it snaps you have to remove the bearing, and being a 11 year old car it's probably going to be tough. They estimated £60 to fit if I supplied the part.
They did said it would need clearing also so might be best with them, though they did scan it for free!
They did said it would need clearing also so might be best with them, though they did scan it for free!
Its not the sort of thing I'd wan't to be doing myself: its a key, safety critical part and needs to be done right (I'm competent with the spanners, and have tackled the 'difficult' jobs on the 4x4 Panda such diesel glow plugs -- see https://www.fiatforum.com/guides/replacing-glow-plugs-2018-panda-multijet.901/ -- but I'd not do that one). £60 to them, plus £35ish for the part = sorted
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Yeah I'm inclined to agree, I did save money replacing rear brakes myself (maybe the course of this ironically, although 4 weeks and probably ~100 miles later), so I think I will. Tough luck on a fun little car (sounding rather entertaining with the custom stainless exhaust), and hard to not be put off it!Its not the sort of thing I'd wan't to be doing myself: its a key, safety critical part and needs to be done right (I'm competent with the spanners, and have tackled the 'difficult' jobs on the 4x4 Panda such diesel glow plugs, but I'd not do that one). £60 to them, plus £35ish for the part = sorted
