EDL Not Racst?

[Prilliant03]

I work with muslims every day. it would be damn tricky to work in the NHS and not have contact with muslims. There were 2 muslims at my work's xmas dinner in December

But to be fair I guess they may not be representative of British muslims as a whole.

I guess my point would be that muslims have no compulsion to integrate. It's their personal choice. No doubt much of the bad feeling towards Islam in the UK is the result of terrorist attrocities, and that's not something anybody can afford to bury their head in the sand about. The PC brigade seem too ready to forget that the vast majority of terror attacks across the globe these days are "justified" by a warped interpretation of the Koran. People are scared for a reason.

However this cuts both ways, and if I was a muslim in an area like Oldham where they have voted in BNP councillors, I'd probably want the security of being with people who shared my culture.

Like I said earlier, it's a vicious cirlce, but if we fall into the trap of generalising, we risk alienating the vast majority of muslims who just want peace and quiet.

 

[dave]

I eat mainly poultry and fish at home as I'm not a lover of red meat.

chickens are one of the worse treated animals farmed.



ive been walsall, dudley and Smethwick had no problems see no problems

 

[Shadeyman]

I guess my point would be that muslims have no compulsion to integrate. It's their personal choice.

So like I said earlier

They're not interested in intergration, most are two faced, saying one thing to your face, the media and the authorities, when in reality they do the exact opposite.

You dont see huge areas of Sikhs?
You don't see huge areas of Hindus?

They're asian with the same racial problems as muslims but they integrate.

As you have said, muslims choose to alienate themselves. They've been given the same choices and chances as other asians but they still choose not to integrate.

The UK does have a Multicultural society it just doesn't include muslims because they choose not to be part of it.

 

[dave]

You don't see huge areas of Hindus?

yes you do lol i am often in restaurants that are packet full and nearly everyone is a hindu, sometimes the odd Sikh a few muslims and me.

 

[Prilliant03]

As I have said SOME muslims choose not to integrate. The ones I know integrate very well. But I also accept that is not neccessarily a representative picture. And neither is yours.

The point is that failure of some muslims to integrate is no justification foor the very real racism that they experience.

I don't personally give a crap what people of any faith choose to do, just so long as it doesn't involve violence or imposition of faith values.

 

[Shadeyman]

I don't personally give a crap what people of any faith choose to do, just so long as it doesn't involve violence or imposition of faith values.

:yeahthat:

yes you do lol i am often in restaurants that are packet full and nearly everyone is a hindu, sometimes the odd Sikh a few muslims and me.

The curry's must be good there, do you think they'd deliver to Wolverhampton?

 

[ben]

so is what's done to most of the animals you eat cruel,

Shooting the cow in the head didn't look so bad.

 

[Shadeyman]

My mate fell while we were out clay shooting. On the way back his 12 gauge went off a shot a cow in the ass. Farmer shot the cow in the head 10 min later, banned my mate for life from shooting on his land and charged him £600.

The shot to the head ended its life instantly, not a single twitch. Was a lot of blood though.

 

[volxstu]

we not in the USA i doubt animals where ben lives are killed same way as uk? if we on about other countries. saying its ok to kill an animal one way but not another just to eat it is madness when there is plenty of other food you could eat that means no animal need be killed anyway

If your going to be killed would you personally rather be knocked out to do it or have it done slowly and painfully whilst your conscious?

 

[dave]

Shooting the cow in the head didn't look so bad.

that's only at the end of their life up till then they are sitting in a shed full of their own poo, thats cruel

 

[dave]

If your going to be killed would you personally rather be knocked out to do it or have it done slowly and painfully whilst your conscious?

humans are left to die slowly in the uk because they cant get assistance to die quick, but people rather moan about getting the way animals are killed changed first, that's cruel

 

[Prilliant03]

If your going to be killed would you personally rather be knocked out to do it or have it done slowly and painfully whilst your conscious?

Neither........

I'd rather die of suffocation with Rachel Stevens sat on my face

 

[ben]

that's only at the end of their life up till then they are sitting in a shed full of their own poo, thats cruel

Most cows I know of are walking around in fields. Even dairy cows only go into the barns for milking.

Chickens run around free on farms.

 

[dave]

Most cows I know of are walking around in fields. Even dairy cows only go into the barns for milking.

Chickens run around free on farms.

lol city boy them few cows running around ain't enough to feed you, there are millions in sheds too, farmers can afford to have fields with just cows munching in them, them chickens you see running around aint the ones in your kfc either, next time you come up mine i'll show you where the eating chickens and cows live. now we also have milk farms too where milk cows live in sheds

on an most EDL supporters are still Racist

 

[Helz]

The cows and sheep potter about the fields and hills here Dave (I say here, I mean Cumbria generally). Go to the local butchers and they list which farms and fields they lived on, you can pretty much choose which cow your steak comes from.

 

[dave]

how many people in the uk get meat from local butchers though? i'm not saying there isnt a few cows in fields but not enough for all the people that want to eat them, you got more fields up there that an not flat enough to build on or protected, here its worth too much to farm there is more money in turning it into small business units, places for horses or sell for housing.

edit i just tried to get google satellite photos of the sheds i know of, but the roofs are painted green and look like fields from above :chin:

 

[ben]

My mom does

Anyway, we weren't debating is eating meat good or bad - rather is shooting a cow in the head to kill it quickly better than cutting its neck and letting it die slowly...

 

[Shadeyman]

how many people in the uk get meat from local butchers though?

Me!

 

[The Beard]

There have been a number of times Shadeyman and I have crossed swords, which, in case anyone was wondering, is not a euphamism, but in many respects I find myself agreeing with him here.

My nextdoor neighbour is a British Hindu. Yogesh and I have gone for a few pints on many occasions and we get on very well, both socially and intelectually. Another chap I know well is a Tunisian Muslim. He lives in a predominantly white area and goes in the local pub usually once or twice a week, in fact, last year he watched most of the World Cup in the same pub with lots of locals. He simply chooses not to drink alcohol.

I've had dealings with most of the ethnic groups in this country at one stage or another and have got on well with almost all of them. It's also a truism that the white Briton is not perfect by any stretch of the imagination.

It's also true, however, that most of the Muslims in the North of England are of Pakistani origin and perhaps that is where the problem lies. There was a time when killing an animal by cutting its throat and letting it bleed to death was a common occurrance in this country, well before we had a sizeable Muslim population. The bleeding to death is apparently an important aspect of slaughtering an animal, but if stunning it first is a viable practice, and a legal requirement in this country then every butcher/slaughterman in the country should abide by that and not be exempt on grounds of ethnicity or religion.

There are areas in Greater Manchester with low cost housing with a large Muslim/Pakistani population which is also quite close to more upmarket housing with a large Muslim/Pakistani population. Having become successful, they don't like to move far from others of the same group. Yet Sikhs, Hindus and Oriental people don't have an "area" as such. I've always believed that Pakistani/Bangladeshi/Muslim people tend to "ghetto-ise" themselves.

I think that Europe, the US, Australia and other western countries have come a long way in terms of the ethical treatment of animals and equality among the sexes and various other groups such as women, gays and disabled people.

There may not be a whole lot we can do about what happens in other countries, but it bothers me that laws in the UK are being modified for one particular group. The marriage of first cousins is another. This was always illegal in this country because of the risk of perpetuating certain genetic illnesses, both mental and physical. Yet it's quite common for people from the Pakistani/Muslim community to marry first cousins in Pakistan and then come back here to live.

I feel that of all the ethnic/religious goups in the UK, the Pakistani/Muslim group does the most to separate themselves from the general population, in terms of dress and location. You could walk past a Bosnian or Kosovan Muslim and have no idea as to their ethnicity or religion.

 

[wegi]

You raise one of the finest points of all, Beard.

"but if stunning it first is a viable practice, and a legal requirement in this country then every butcher/slaughterman in the country should abide by that and not be exempt on grounds of ethnicity or religion"

If people COME to this country they should expect to live by OUR rules and they can sure as hell leave their barbaric, ancient bizarre, messed up ritual stuff at home.

They get too many priveleges and seem to be prioritized over us.