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EDL Not Racst?

Exactly. Holding opinions, no matter how abhorent, is not a crime.

The vast majority of British citizens do not need the EDL or anybosy else to highlight extremism for them, or to help form their own opinions.
"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Voltaire.

The majority of people in this country, when they read a newspaper, generally read a tabloid. Based on that alone, they do need someone to highlight extremism.

About 12 years ago I knew an Egyptian doctor who was working on "attachment" so to speak. I went to visit her and her husband one day and found her very distressed. She told me she'd received a letter from another female doctor who she'd studied for her medical degree with in Egypt but who was an Afghan national. The letter was smuggled out by an Egyptian diplomat from the embassy in Kabul who was a friend of the (Egyptian) doctor's father.

In it it stated that she'd been told to return to her village in Afghanistan, along with her husband who was a civil engineer specialising in irrigation and sewerage systems. She'd be no longer able to work and he would have to take up subsistance farming, on orders of the government. That government was the Taliban. It is arguable that the Taliban are the ultimate incarnation of extreme Islam.

On the 26th September 1996 the Taliban took control of Kabul. Their first act was to hang former President Najibullah who was staying in a UN diplomatic compound, effectively neutral territory. The Taliban beat Najibullah and his brother senseless before putting them in a pick up, castrating the former president and tied him to the back of a "jeep" and dragged him several times round the old Presidential Palace and then shot him dead. They did the same thing with the brother before throttling him to death. Two of Najibullah's companions were also caught and received similar treatment before being hanged.

Within 24 hours of taking Kabul, the Taliban imposed the strictest Islamic system anywhere in the world. All women were banned from work, even though one quarter of Kabul's civil service, the entire elementary educational system and much of the health service were run by women. Girl's schools and colleges were closed down affecting 70,000 female students and a strict dress code of head to toe veils for women was imposed. There were fears that 25,000 families which were headed by war widows and depended on working and UN handouts would starve. Each day brought new pronouncements. 'Thieves would have their hands and feet amputated, adulterers would be stoned to death and those taking liquor will be lashed.'

TV, videos, satellite dishes, music and all games including chess, football and kite flying were banned. Radio Kabul was renamed Radio Shariat and all music was taken off the air.

The list does go on, but frankly I think I've gone past the point of losing the will to live. As an example of extreme religion, the Taliban take some beating, but it doesn't take many degrees from where we are now to reach that stage.

Almost everything Islamic extremists believe in is at odds with what modern western democracies stand for. Freedom of choice, speech, religion; emancipation for women, equal rights for everyone regardless of gender, sexuality, race and religion.
 
Never ceases to amaze me how some people hate this country & most of its inhabitants so much that they have to stand on street corners spouting their hatred and venom and yet they are more than happy to take all the handouts this country offers - and more besides.
Whilst I agree with article 19, if you want to live here and enjoy the same freedoms we enjoy then you should accept that this is how we are.
 
Entering this island paradise is easy. I wonder how many would leave if it was just as easy?

I WOULD!
A story. A young man I know, a Tunisian, was working in the hotel trade in Sousse when he met a young woman from the Czech Republic who was on holiday with her family. After several holidays staying at the same hotel, the two became an item and one thing leading to another, got married. As she was a national of an Emerging EC Nation, she was allowed permanant residence here, and as her husband, so was Anouar.

He got a job and is currently employed in a role whereby his French, Arabic, Turkish, German and of course English language skills come in very handy. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, she left and he's now on his own.

When he first arrived here, he was told by Immigration that if for any reason the marriage broke down, he must notify them immediately. He did exactly that, unfortunately he has been told that when his working visa expires next year he will have to leave.

There are many immigrants in the UK, and so many have found a home here over the years that their descendants must make up about a quarter of the population. There are those who simply outstay their visas, those who come here on a tourist visa but then work and remain in the country, there are those who marry a British national and arrive in the country with no discernable skills to offer the country. Many don't even speak English, will work in cash only jobs that they can do while signing on and will simply embed the "Ghetto" in society by living with or near their new families. The vast majority will never earn enough to pay back the cost of living here in terms of interpreters, health care and education.

In comparison, Anour works for a PLC so all his tax and NI contributions are paid and he fulfills a useful service to the population of the North of England.
He has no children, his wife is in another relationship and there are no children to be cared for by the Social. Although he is a Muslim, he dressese in a Western style and for work wears a blazer, trousers and a shirt and tie. he goes out a couple of times a week, once into Manchester to visit his Mosque, but equally he will also see the Cathedral, John Rylands Library and the Science Museum and Art Gallery. On the other occasion he will do his shopping and then go to the pub. He doesn't drink alcohol but still has a game of Pool and watches the football on telly with the locals.

He's integrated while still maintaining his Arabic identity. He goes to the pub but doesn't drink booze. He pays the rent, has a credit card and is no strain on the public purse. If we're going to have immigrants, then let's have more like Anouar.
 
He's integrated while still maintaining his Arabic identity. He goes to the pub but doesn't drink booze. He pays the rent, has a credit card and is no strain on the public purse. If we're going to have immigrants, then let's have more like Anouar.

But why should the masses learn to differentiate when it's much easier to discriminate en masse?

Muslims seem to have replaced the Irish as the mutual bogeymen of the tabloid reader.
 
Entering this island paradise is easy. I wonder how many would leave if it was just as easy?

I WOULD!
Funny you should say that, towards the end of last year, an Asian man had booked to fly back to Pakistan. He'd packed his job in, handed in his notice to his landlord and transferred his finances back to Islamabad. At Check in he told the clerk he'd given it a go, but just didn't like it here and was going back home. He had a one way ticket. Unfortunately, for whatever reason, there was a problem with his paperwork and he'd have to leave the country anyway.

I think you may be able to see where this is going. Immigration informed the Cops that he was wanted and just before the aircraft pushed back they entered the plane, offloaded the passenger, followed by his bags and arrested him. He was interviewed under caution by Immigration, all the time saying that he just wanted to go back to Pakistan.

The decision was made that he should be encouraged to return home and after being assured by the passenger that he would return the next morning for the flight was booked into a hotel which Immigration paid for. He travelled the short distance there and back in a taxi also paid for by Immigration. On his return to the airport, he was met by Immigration staff who escorted him to the aircraft and just as he was about to walk onboard, he was given an envelope containing a cheque that the last government had decided should be used to encourage people to return home.

So, an immigrant wanted to return home. He was taken off the aircraft with the consequence that the plane missed its take off slot which Immigration had to pay for. He was put in a hotel which Immigration had to pay for. He took two taxi rides that.....Immigration had to pay for and was then given a cheque to leave the country he was leaving anyway.

Of course it's easy to leave the country.



But why should the masses learn to differentiate when it's much easier to discriminate en masse?

Muslims seem to have replaced the Irish as the mutual bogeymen of the tabloid reader.
By and large I think the masses do differentiate. In fact if the masses do anything, it's that they are indifferent to extremism. I don't remember, apart from the run of the mill knobhead, much in the way of racist attacks on Asians. But, when the mob from the Finsbury Park Mosque were able to stand in the street with banners (and also chanted) "Death to the Jews!" and "Death to the Infidels!" and no action was taken against them, the die was cast. If anybody does fail to differentiate between the extremists and your everyday, run of the mill Muslim, then the lack of action on the part of the authorities and the lack of criticism from moderate Muslim leaders in that and other similar cases is to blame.

As for the Irish. They've never been the bogeymen. Irish jokes increased in the '70s in proportion to the number of bomb and shooting attacks on Britain and Britons. Before that it was probably down to the fact that most Irish people in this country held jobs that didn't require a great deal of formal education such as demolition or construction. Most canals, railway embankments and tunnels were built by the Irish. But as a large proportion of the British population are, or were decended from the Irish, including me, the Irish are just part of us.
 
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Never ceases to amaze me how some people hate this country & most of its inhabitants so much that they have to stand on street corners spouting their hatred and venom and yet they are more than happy to take all the handouts this country offers - and more besides.
Whilst I agree with article 19, if you want to live here and enjoy the same freedoms we enjoy then you should accept that this is how we are.

Why? People challenge 'how we are' all the time. Without that freedom to challenge thinking we'd be a very backwards country.
 
Nope...you probably wouldn't notice most muslims, as they do blend in because, shock horror, they are just like you and me. Sorry if thats news to you, but its the truth.
SOME, usually the more radical types, don't intergrate well, that is partly because of them, partly becuase of the stigma that goes with the clothing that they wear.
 
Nope...you probably wouldn't notice most muslims, as they do blend in because, shock horror, they are just like you and me. Sorry if thats news to you, but its the truth.
SOME, usually the more radical types, don't intergrate well, that is partly because of them, partly becuase of the stigma that goes with the clothing that they wear.

You may have know them differently...
Where I used to live they dominated streets and took over the place!
Some are ok and are helpful etc but most not.

Dom
 
I'd have to agree with Dom.

They're not interested in intergration, most are two faced, saying one thing to your face, the media and the authorities, when in reality they do the exact opposite.

With all the things that have come to light over the passed few years I find it hard to trust them. :(
 
I'd have to agree with Dom.

They're not interested in intergration, most are two faced, saying one thing to your face, the media and the authorities, when in reality they do the exact opposite.

With all the things that have come to light over the passed few years I find it hard to trust them. :(


They aren't and that's the problem. When we had a shop *somewhere* it was mad, you can't trust anyone.

Dom
 
Nope...you probably wouldn't notice most muslims, as they do blend in because, shock horror, they are just like you and me. Sorry if thats news to you, but its the truth.
SOME, usually the more radical types, don't intergrate well, that is partly because of them, partly becuase of the stigma that goes with the clothing that they wear.

bludvl_x19, you're wasting your time trying to make the resident FF xenophobes see reality. Leave them to their tabloids. :D
 
You may have know them differently...
Where I used to live they dominated streets and took over the place!
Some are ok and are helpful etc but most not.

And you really think this is a uniquely Muslim problem?

I suggest visit you some of the more select areas of Belfast or Londonderry. Lots of people clumping together in tribal patterns, and barely a turban in sight. :rolleyes:

Perhaps Asian familes tend to populate specific areas for a reason. Because they know they won't be subject to localised racism when all the locals are also Asian.

Am I the only person who can see a self-perpetuating vicious circle here?
 
And you really think this is a uniquely Muslim problem?

I suggest visit you some of the more select areas of Belfast or Londonderry. Lots of people clumping together in tribal patterns, and barely a turban in sight. :rolleyes:

Nope, there's plenty of Muslims, Pakistanis, Nigerians etc that take over areas. (Plenty of turbans where I'm thinking of!)

Where I was was bad enough thanks.

Dom
 
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