General Do so many Panda threads need to be relocated?

[Most Easterly Pandas]

So why Panda chat not allowed then Dave?

And when we gone on about our lives? Some of our lifes are/were Panda's. Only time I believe I have is when a certain Vauxhall drivers nearly wiped out half of my family! Sorry if that offended others. Just bottle it all up next time. No-one gives a toss obviously

This is really what is beginning to pee people off. Seems the truth isn't there. What thread have offended who, when and why? Why we not told at the time so we can sort it

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

yes exackly, you want a discution, but then when another person puts a veiw that isnt the same as the handfull you get nasty

Dave, you've given the same opinion over and over again. We know about what you said, has been raised before, and we've tried to change. This is all about another thing now.

I don't know about others but can you define my Life and my Panda's and what I can and can't talk about, because everyone seems to be saying different things!

 

[Blurredman]

volvo drivers are worse ^^

 

[Chas Uno]

as before, delete this thread to stop the agro

Then you can guarantee that someone will moan about that as well. As Dave says, some people WERE complaining before (not me I hasten to add). I can see that the Panda section was a little too insular and too much of an exclusive club, which alienated others not part of the select group.

Personally I feel a lot of the changes are being blown out of proportion and this is little more than a storm in a tea cup. Throwing toys out of the pram won't achieve anything either so please, work together and try and make the forum better as a result. The changes ARE working in other sections so storming off from the Panda section will simply leave the forum with plenty of active sections for other models with no classic Panda representation. What will that achieve and where will potential classic Panda owners go then?

Take a deep breath, stand back from the situation and observe the wood from the trees

 

[dave]

So why Panda chat not allowed then Dave?

And when we gone on about our lives? Some of our lifes are/were Panda's. Only time I believe I have is when a certain Vauxhall drivers nearly wiped out half of my family! Sorry if that offended others. Just bottle it all up next time. No-one gives a toss obviously

This is really what is beginning to pee people off. Seems the truth isn't there. What thread have offended who, when and why? Why we not told at the time so we can sort it

may times i have posted an off topic smilie, an you your self have come back with no it isnt, in stead of getting back on topic. https://www.fiatforum.com/panda-classic/130326-pandas-sale-ebay-thread-108.html?p=2044799

this thread in its self is yet more crap to add to the section, we already have a thread in here about the rules an changes, so why do we need another?

think i'll feck off with the rest of the old boys who dont post no more. may as well stick my pandas on ebay for 99p no reserve as well, because its obvious if you aint part of the clique in here you aint welcome

 

[firstcar-Y10]

eace:

 

[Luke P]

That is a very good point Arc. I'm wondering if perhaps there should be a member's motors thread AND a member's project thread? Or whether each member's motors thread should have a summary at the beginning giving an overview of the car (like you suggested), with the individual posts/ discussions then following it? :chin:

I read Arcs thread about the conversion with great interest one evening... it's all there in one thread... Great stuff by the way

I suppose the issue lies with the speed of the changes and the uncertainty it brings for the dinosaur posters like myself not used to it all. Organising is good, but not at the expense of free talking which after all is what any forum should be principally about IMO. I have only just got my head around where my subsequent posts should go. If I was a new member, it would be carnage for my posts.

Overall I do agree with organisation of information, but I believe the price is that some people won't quite know whether their post is welcome, so won't post at all.

There's no point in me bringing this up with anyone official at the FIAT Forum as I do understand the need to organise such a big forum and bring us in line with other sections as that's what the management of a forum would want to do. This is just an opportunity to make my feelings known. This change is inevitable.

:yeahthat:

nor me, some support for the new section mod an letting them know of a mistake by report or pm would be better than an attack thread..

as much as there is a few that think all the offtopic stuff should be left in cp section, there is equal or a greater number who now avoid the section all together because its got more crap than LL

The new mod has a very hard job of allowing enought to keep some happy and getting rid of the rest to keep the rest happy. try some support and guidence instead of attack all the time

excuse spelling spell checker is broke

No attack on Charlotte as far as I can see; looks like she has the unenviable task of trying to herd cats that are getting friskier as the minutes tick by!! Spell check broke is not a valid excuse LOL

We are really lucky to have this resource... If it means we have to adapt to the circumstances then so be it... Part of the point of Pandas for me is a certain degree of non-conformism; if that has come through in the way I have made use of the forum then so be it... Oh well...

All the best to all of you!!

Luke.

 

[lewey]

Take a deep breath, stand back from the situation and observe the wood from the trees

Aye. I just wanted to say my bit, but this has got well out of hand. I regret adding the fuel.

 

[Chas Uno]

Dave, you've given the same opinion over and over again. We know about what you said, has been raised before, and we've tried to change. This is all about another thing now.

I don't know about others but can you define my Life and my Panda's and what I can and can't talk about, because everyone seems to be saying different things!

Jon, one problem seems to be a vagueness in exactly what is the problem and the fact that some people seem only interested in resisting change for the sake of resisting it. The changes are concerned about keeping member's motors in member's motors threads, events in the events thread and auction/ for sale threads also in their relevant sections. That is all, and though I agree that the member's motors criteria may need a little more fine tuning the benefits for the others are obvious.

Personal chat is another matter, and I do agree that the community spirit of each section needs to be preserved but not to the extent that outsiders feel they can't approach it with an open door. Remember as well that this thread kicked off about a thread that was mistakenly moved, yet despite a lot of people being disgruntled no-one bothered to report it. If the members HAD reported it at the time then it would most probably have been moved back and this thread would never have started in the first place...

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

 

[firstcar-Y10]

nice (sort of) to see a busy thread though. Some can of worms..

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

Personal chat is another matter, and I do agree that the community spirit of each section needs to be preserved but not to the extent that outsiders feel they can't approach it with an open door.

The two threads moved that I linked are key example. Both new members, since the threads moved, never posted again.

This is why I'm kicking up a fuss about them being moved, because we've lost 2 perspective members. I'm all for keeping the door open and welcoming new members.

As said by others, I think this thread has got out of hand, and I'm sorry if I've come across as abusive / agresstive / rude, but it just that I'm trying to point something out and don't seem to be able to get it across, perhaps I'm not doing it well enough, but this is really beginning to fustrate me. Lots of contradictions.

 

[werdna]

The changes are concerned about keeping member's motors in member's motors threads, events in the events thread and auction/ for sale threads also in their relevant sections.

As one who enjoys the banter and occasional sarky comment, remembering most of us are only human !, in this section, if the quote above is the truth , the whole truth and nothing but the truth, then what is left to post in this section ?

I have had and sold my panda , but still feel part of the family panda. I enjoy the ramblings of certain members and the downright boring postings of others...

I am almost sorry to say this ...but... if it aint broke why try to fix it ?

I also will not be coming back to read any more if things do not improve, and that will be an enjoyable part of my day gone...Think again mods...are you catering to the few or to the masses ?

 

[Chas Uno]

As one who enjoys the banter and occasional sarky comment, remembering most of us are only human !, in this section, if the quote above is the truth , the whole truth and nothing but the truth, then what is left to post in this section ?

I have had and sold my panda , but still feel part of the family panda. I enjoy the ramblings of certain members and the downright boring postings of others...

I am almost sorry to say this ...but... if it aint broke why try to fix it ?

I also will not be coming back to read any more if things do not improve, and that will be an enjoyable part of my day gone...Think again mods...are you catering to the few or to the masses ?

As pointed out, the changes ARE working for other sections so why not here too? So maybe yes, it is catering for the masses because "you can please some of the people all the time, all the people some of the time but not all the people all the time". A utilitarian approach has to be taken to give the greatest good for the greatest number of people. Plus it's daft to have one rule for one group and one rule for another because that's just as unworkable and will create bad feeling elsewhere.

I suggest everyone goes away and sleeps on this discussion and approach it again in the clear light of the morning. I for one need to go out and get my Subway footlong chicken sandwich and finish packing for my flight to Phoenix tomorrow! Oops, off topic!

 

[dave]

The two threads moved that I linked are key example. Both new members, since the threads moved, never posted again.

both had redirects left, both only a week ago, both might be people who only use the net once a week,
never is a lot longer than a week, if they come back an see this thread it will make them think they started trouble an make them less likely to come back than just getting a thread moved.

like what keeps getting said over and over, if you think a thread has wrongly been moved all you have to do is 1 click on report button an put in a little note, instead of stiring everybody up again

 

[nitro_warrior]

Wow this has been my most successful post!

Far from being a can of worms I think it's been on the whole quite constructive. As it was me who started it i'll try to make some salient points.

1. Feedback and suggestions: OK so there's a Site Suggestions page but I expect (like me) most people are only a little bit bothered or arn't sure what would work better, and so arn't motivated to post there. But this thread raises some good points and should be considered useful feedback in itself. Just a tricky one for the forum Overlords to pick through.

2. Reporting the moved threads: Thing is, a moved thread is only a little bit of a nuicance and I can live with it, but when more are moved it gets irritating. A bit like one speed bump is ok, but a street full of them sucks.
I did actually look to report the mentioned thread at the time but I left it and when I next logged on it was presumably off the page and out of mind.

3. It's been mentioned the sections can be quite insular: But why make it all sections the same when the majority of the people stay in their own sections. I'm afraid to say I have very little Fiat loyalty/like from anything Punto onwards and don't ever look in those sections. I don't like going to the MM and the classifieds where it's all mashed together.

4. I like the idea of having Panda build threads shown within in the Panda section: It's a bit of an epic change but I also think the site would benefit from having the sub sections within each model group. So within the Panda section there would be sections broken down in to say 'Technical', 'MM', 'Build threads', 'Styling', 'General', etc all related to Pandas.
Rather than having all the sections on the first level, with all the models sharing the second level or being split up seperatly.

5. Aside from build threads which are maybe a bit different. I think, in short, most people would be happy for all the threads that are moved or deleted to stay. With only the really wrong ones going "My Vauxhall Meriva is really boring..." type thing (actually don't delete them either that would be really funny)

6. The basic problem is I don't want to trawl through the other sections to find Panda stuff when it could all be contained in one place. It's like those annoying toilets that don't have a sink and you have to go to another room to wash your hands...

 

[purple haze]

Nice to see you have all been busy...

Up to now the silence has been deafening regarding my question about "Panda chit chat" as Ben himself put it.

I love the way new members are welcomed to the Forum by most people...so don't quite get the "Closed shop" type comments..
People on the section seem to go out of their way to help new members with offers of parts, knowlage and encourgment. I often see "Wow!!...didn't know i would get such a quick answer...thanks"..posted by a newbie.

I must admit i could prob be accused of trying to get them to post more which may scare them off..

I've banged on about the community side of the Panda section before...so you all know where i stand on that issue...Ben has done good work on the MM, ebay etc...Me scared to post?...Nah...Can't be bothered at the moment?...Prob yeah..

No Panda related funny chat under a general heading= E.G Luke and the disappering wheel!!

How can anyone be having a go at Charlotte??...No offence...but she has not really been posting much so i don't really feel i know her and she has not been a mod for long..so i don't see any of this as Charlotte bashing. Plus this all came up before she was a mod. (Would have been good to see it annonced here and not just see her name at the bottom. In a "welcome to" thread...why was that not done??..)

MEP is right...this section and its community will die and alot of help will die with it..maybe thats what most people want...or maybe not..who knows?? One thing is certain and that is others will replace the ones that will go on the "Missing in action" list and the section will continue because the Fiat Forum is popular...

The special on the menu today is "Natural Selection"..anyone want a slice???

Regards...C. Darwin.

 

[xsparky]

1. Yes, some threads get hijacked by chit chat, but that's just a reflection of life isn't it?
2. I'm not a great one for idle banter, but it doesn't mean I feel excluded because other people enjoy it - where is the evidence that anyone has been made to feel unwelcome?
3. Shouldn't the person who has taken the trouble to make a post, be the one who decides where it should go? If I make a clear balls up and put a classified ad in the general section, then by all means move it, but I'm not going to post something in a section that I don't read - and I only read this one.
4. An internet forum is not a democracy and rules is rules, but they don't need to be enforced if they're not causing a problem do they.
5. It's 2.24 a.m and I have to be up at 6.00 - why am I here?

Mike

 

[purple haze]

2.24am.......your defo right about that!!!...Oh and the other stuff you wrote...

 

[ben]

Before we start arguing about things that should have been covered in the past:

1. IMHO a build thread should stay in the model section. MM is more to show off a (finished?) vehicle or when you do something major to it. Ideally you would have your MM thread and everytime you reach a milestone in the build thread, add a link in the MM thread to it.

2. Panda chit chat *can* stay in the Panda section. General chit chat should really go in the LL, but as I said before, I can understand if you want to chat "amongst your friends" - however if it really is a general type thing, please do use LL.

3. Threads going off topic is a difficult one, however as long as the main "issue" in the thread has been addressed, there is no harm in a bit of banter. The problem arrises when a user asks about a specific problem/issue and the thread goes off topic *before* the solution is given - as generally the original issue will then get lost and upset/annoy the thread creator.

4. However, classifieds, MM threads, ebay links and group buys must go in the correct forums - the right bar solves any issues with them not being found

5. It is preferable to use the report posts section if you feel there is a problem, multiple reports all get merged automatically anyway so dont worry if more than one reports it - however in a situation like this, it's good to get a thread going to discuss