General Do so many Panda threads need to be relocated?

[Most Easterly Pandas]

i cant see a report on the thread

Ok, perhaps I though someone else was going to report it and visa versa, but has it not been read by a mod since it's moval and our comments

I have also just checked and found out my beliefs were wrong. I thought the report button was for abusive threads etc only. I now know otherwise.

 

[Chas Uno]

Thats only because they stopped importing them in 1995. Up until 2003 the Classic Panda was made and sold in the majority of europe, and this is common knowledge by most in this section.

It's even here
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As mentioned, it looked like a genuine mistake by a mod who thought the post was about a new Panda rather than a classic Panda.

I'll ask again, did you officially report the post to the mod team after it was moved to bring it their attention?

And the way you're being so fastidious about a mistake from a mod getting a model incorrect by two years is beginning to look like a witch hunt. Are you not happy with the new mod or something?

 

[Chas Uno]

Ok, perhaps I though someone else was going to report it and visa versa, but has it not been read by a mod since it's moval and our comments

Right, so now it's established that the post was NOT reported. Mods can't be everywhere and examine each thread for the minutest details or comments, therefore they have to rely on other forum members as well to help them identify posts that need attention.

Perhaps if the post had been reported then the mod would've realised a small mistake had been made and moved it back. Would have been far better than all this grumbling and complaining occuring, yet no-one was prepared to bring the issue to the mod's attention in the first place...

 

[arc]

i see members motors as a forum to show case a finished car, not somewhere to post updates on a current build (like roadrat thread), that belongs in the subforums.

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

I'll ask again, did you officially report the post to the mod team after it was moved to bring it their attention?

As above

And the way you're being so fastidious about a mistake from a mod getting a model incorrect by two years is beginning to look like a witch hunt. Are you not happy with the new mod or something?

No, I've got no problem with Charlotte, her as a person, or her as a mod, what I'm getting fustrated about is the fact that alot of changes have begun to happen (for the better or worse, each to their own decission) as this have affected this section in a very negative way. As to what changes these are which have been possitive or negative to the section as a whole I don't feel I nessecarily know exactly as each member is different, but all I do know is that in recent weeks this section has started going down the pan and there are ALOT (not only me, or one or two other section regulars, but a fair number!) of other members who are unhappy with things and as such stopped posting because they quite frankly can't be bothered with all the hassle. It's not to do with attitude, to dislike to change, but its to do with alot of contradictions happening and the regulars being treated as people who shouldn't be here or posting etc

Before long this section is going to die and all the knowedgeable members are going to give up and not bother with it anymore and I don't want to stand by and see this happen

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

i see members motors as a forum to show case a finished car, not somewhere to post updates on a current build, that belongs in the subforums.

Thank you Arc :worship:

 

[Chas Uno]

i see members motors as a forum to show case a finished car, not somewhere to post updates on a current build (like roadrat thread), that belongs in the subforums.

I disagree. For a start, how many projects ever get completely finished? How many are constantly being updated? If only finished vehicles were in member's motors threads then these threads would be dead ends and wouldn't ever be updated. In which case that section of the forum would stagnate as why would anyone bother looking there?

One thing I can think of is to keep the member's motors thread as it is, but for the updated threads to be automatically included in the topic list of the specific model section to indicate new postings. Maybe Ben could incorporate that :chin:

No, I've got no problem with Charlotte, her as a person, or her as a mod, what I'm getting fustrated about is the fact that alot of changes have begun to happen (for the better or worse, each to their own decission) as this have affected this section in a very negative way. As to what changes these are which have been possitive or negative to the section as a whole I don't feel I nessecarily know exactly as each member is different, but all I do know is that in recent weeks this section has started going down the pan and there are ALOT (not only me, or one or two other section regulars, but a fair number!) of other members who are unhappy with things and as such stopped posting because they quite frankly can't be bothered with all the hassle. It's not to do with attitude, to dislike to change, but its to do with alot of contradictions happening and the regulars being treated as people who shouldn't be here or posting etc

Before long this section is going to die and all the knowedgeable members are going to give up and not bother with it anymore and I don't want to stand by and see this happen

So have you made any posts in the "Site Suggestions" section of the forum highlighting what you think is wrong, and putting forward suggestions as to how things could be done differently?

From what I can see, the grumblings are primarily about threads being moved to various sections to try and make the forum more orderly and standardised (that way EVERYONE, whichever section they use, can negotiate the forum easily), and people being asked to post specific build details relating to their cars in their individual member's motors threads. The only other thing I can think of is for meets threads being asked to be kept in the 'events' section. Is that it or are there any more?

I can see both sides of the story here and understand why some people are upset with the changes. But previously it was like each section of the forum had its own set of rules, which meant that going from one section of the forum to another could be confusing. It also made the forum 'cliquey', which surely is not the point of an online community. All these changes are meant to bring a semblance of order and standardisation in what was orginally a rather chaotic system of individual groups doing their own thing regardless of each other.

And remember, members can HELP with these changes by reporting incorrect posts and also making suggestions in the site suggestions section of the forum. Also remember that these changes are meant to make the forum a better place for everyone, they're NOT meant to spoil your fun. So try and be positive and help make these changes work for everyone

 

[lewey]

i see members motors as a forum to show case a finished car, not somewhere to post updates on a current build (like roadrat thread), that belongs in the subforums.

I also agree.

I have been reluctant to post threads or comment on things due to feeling everything I say is under scrutiny for relevance in a section. I waited for a couple of weeks to post about my latest 4x4 acquisition as I thought I probably should post it in the members motors section but knew no-one would respond there and perhaps it wasn't really one I was going to keep and I had technical questions that needed answering. I just didn't bother because of the bother. It needs to be free and easy for people to come out and talk. I can see the need to organise things, but overall the Panda section is suffering at the moment.

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

1986Uno45S, as above, Lewey has got it spot on.

It also feels that one can no longer have general Panda chit chat since the changes have happened, which we assured would not be the case.

As Lewey has said, people cannot be bothered because of the bother they're having in the process. And it is this that is killing the Panda section (and possibly other sections? I not sure).

The Panda section is different to the Punto / Stilo section etc. There are alot less 'I have this problem' threads, especially by new members because of the Number of Panda's left. Just like the new 500 section is different to the 500 section, it also has not to disimilar number of 'I have this problem' threads, but has more about 'I'm buying a 500' because of the age of the model etc.

Each section is different in its overal subject area and matter if we like it or not. It is just what how it is, and this is what is trying to be killed in the Classic Panda section I feel. Its being tried to be turned into something its not!

 

[Chas Uno]

I also agree.

I have been reluctant to post threads or comment on things due to feeling everything I say is under scrutiny for relevance in a section. I waited for a couple of weeks to post about my latest 4x4 acquisition as I thought I probably should post it in the members motors section but knew no-one would respond there and perhaps it wasn't really one I was going to keep and I had technical questions that needed answering. I just didn't bother because of the bother. It needs to be free and easy for people to come out and talk. I can see the need to organise things, but overall the Panda section is suffering at the moment.

Well, there's a contradition in that you feel that every post is under scrutiny yet some of those in this thread can't understand why their posts in a thread weren't read by a mod and acted upon! It can't work both ways!

And again, has anyone out forward suggestions/ idea in the site suggestions section highlighting these grievances? MEP, this particularly applies to you because you in particular and some others feel very much that the changes aren't working, but unless the mods and Ben are made aware of them then not much can change. You have a valuable input into how the forum is run and evolved, but only if you make your voice heard to those who can do anything about it. How about listing exactly what exactly is wrong, and more importantly, suggest alternatives that will rectify the situation?

Also, how about my idea of an updated members motor's thread being linked to the relevant model section of the forum, so that an updated classic Panda will appear both in the MM thread AND in the Panda section? That should keep everyone happy maybe? :idea:

 

[JimMagill]

We are a lot more like a social club in here and sometimes the only thing that a post as to do with a panda is that I may of been in a panda at the time something happens and there did seem to be a bit of interest in tales like that but now I'm a bit more nervous to post stuff like that in case I get told that it's not really on topic or related to this section

Jim

 

[arc]

I disagree. For a start, how many projects ever get completely finished? How many are constantly being updated? If only finished vehicles were in member's motors threads then these threads would be dead ends and wouldn't ever be updated. In which case that section of the forum would stagnate as why would anyone bother looking there?

But with the project threads, feedback from other members who know the cars is so useful. My car for one is an ongoing project, but when milestones are reached then i do update my members motors thread. I do like people to look at it, and comment on the car but I don't expect them to sift through my ramblings about how i'm going to line up the alternator, or what size fuel hose etc etc I'm thinking about using. In the same way, if i was looking in members motors at someones GP then I'd want to look at a brief run down of what the car was about, not scroll through x pages of x updates to find out what has been done. Just a summary of the car, with a link to build thread at the end. My members motors thread reflects how this.

 

[Chas Uno]

It also feels that one can no longer have general Panda chit chat since the changes have happened, which we assured would not be the case.

Chit chat is fine, but I suppose a line has to be drawn between "chit chat" and specific talk about a project. Cars like the Road Rat, the crashtest Camel and Pandamonious Maximus' 4x4 Abarth are definite members motors and would do best being kept in one thread. That way all the information about each Panda project will be in one place, which asides from making it useful for others undertaking such projects also makes it a very interesting read. General and non specific posts about Panda related stuff should stay in the general Panda forum as it has always done.

Remember, if you are very disgruntled about the way things are being done then make your voices heard and put forward workable alternatives. Stopping posting or grumbling amongst yourselves will achieve nothing, as if the mods don't know what's wrong then they can't do anything about it. Be pro-active! Also be aware that the changes ARE working in other sections of the forum so that's why they are being implemented across the board. Though it's generally quieter (which is why I often pop in here!) the Uno section has had no issues at all with the new system. Everything is working as it was before with the exception of member's motors now being used as intended. Events are linked to the events section with discussion about them still occurring in the Uno section. But again, that doesn't necessarily mean it will work in the Panda section so let the mods know how it's going!

And the way there is so much resitance to change here I'm beginning to realise that the classic Panda section is most definitely where the FF outlaws hang out

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

Mods reading and mods scrutinising a thread area totally different things.

I (and others) have already made suggestions, but they're not in line with how the forum needs to be which is fair enough, but what I'm trying to get at is that no matter how you want a section to be, it will only be what its members make of it. As a result of this, members are now stopping from posting and eventually will stop visiting the forum all together and this is the issue in hand.

To stop this problem things need to be relaxed, but then again that will mean sort of going back to how it was before, which is something that can't be done.

It is a shame, but it looks like this could be the end for many section members who just don't want to be something that they're not.

Does that help at all? Because I know for a fact that I haven't all the answers and don't percieve that I have, but I can see a problem that I and others have pointed out, but don't nesecarily know the answers to

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

Remember, if you are very disgruntled about the way things are being done then make your voices heard and put forward workable alternatives.

Thats what we're trying to do but it dosen't seem to be helping and we haven't all got workable alternatives.

Big question!

Should the forum / a section, be workable to it members, or the member it a forum / a section?

Just like should a shop be workable to its customers or customers workable to a shop?!

 

[Chas Uno]

Whoa, guys! I'm only trying to be positive and see both sides of the discussion here. I can only spend so much time online as I'm supposed to be getting ready to go to Phoenix Arizona tomorrow!

We are a lot more like a social club in here and sometimes the only thing that a post as to do with a panda is that I may of been in a panda at the time something happens and there did seem to be a bit of interest in tales like that but now I'm a bit more nervous to post stuff like that in case I get told that it's not really on topic or related to this section

Jim

I see your point, but I don't see why a discussion like that would be an issue? And again, if everyone feels that the changes aren't working then why not ALL bring them up to the appropriate mods?

But with the project threads, feedback from other members who know the cars is so useful. My car for one is an ongoing project, but when milestones are reached then i do update my members motors thread. I do like people to look at it, and comment on the car but I don't expect them to sift through my ramblings about how i'm going to line up the alternator, or what size fuel hose etc etc I'm thinking about using. In the same way, if i was looking in members motors at someones GP then I'd want to look at a brief run down of what the car was about, not scroll through x pages of x updates to find out what has been done. Just a summary of the car, with a link to build thread at the end. My members motors thread reflects how this.

That is a very good point Arc. I'm wondering if perhaps there should be a member's motors thread AND a member's project thread? Or whether each member's motors thread should have a summary at the beginning giving an overview of the car (like you suggested), with the individual posts/ discussions then following it? :chin:

 

[JimMagill]

And the way there is so much resitance to change here I'm beginning to realise that the classic Panda section is most definitely where the FF outlaws hang out

No, it's cause other bits of the forum are either dead (like the Multpla section were I couldn't even be bothered posting that mine is just of the coast of New Jersey cause no one will read it) thou to some of the punto bits where its like a club 18-30 holiday on E

Like there's been some comments about my car already in the MM from some spud who tells me I should be selling pizza's out of it

Lovely....

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

I see your point, but I don't see why a discussion like that would be an issue? And again, if everyone feels that the changes aren't working then why not ALL bring them up to the appropriate mods?

Because they fell they'll be pushed aside, ignored!

We have been once, when all the big changes like eBay thread happened! Although on that occassion I think it was for our best and did work well

But it feels like the same is happening this time, but it isn't working

 

[lewey]

I suppose the issue lies with the speed of the changes and the uncertainty it brings for the dinosaur posters like myself not used to it all. Organising is good, but not at the expense of free talking which after all is what any forum should be principally about IMO. I have only just got my head around where my subsequent posts should go. If I was a new member, it would be carnage for my posts.

Overall I do agree with organisation of information, but I believe the price is that some people won't quite know whether their post is welcome, so won't post at all.

There's no point in me bringing this up with anyone official at the FIAT Forum as I do understand the need to organise such a big forum and bring us in line with other sections as that's what the management of a forum would want to do. This is just an opportunity to make my feelings known. This change is inevitable.

 

[Most Easterly Pandas]

thou to some of the punto bits where its like a club 18-30 holiday on E

PMSL

Like there's been some comments about my car already in the MM from some spud who tells me I should be selling pizza's out of it

Lovely....

I've yet to have that happen to me, but seen it in other members MM threads and it pisses me off