Technical CV joint issue?
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Technical CV joint issue?
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No I have brutal 1.1....
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That actually helps a lot! It seems to confirm the bracket and position of dog bone is correct on mine, many thanks for your effort.
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Dagdromer has mentioned the top gearbox mount, I'm thinking of lifting the gearbox side a bit with a jack to see what happens.
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I'm thinking if the engine/gearbox assembly pulls the lower mount to the left that much this should be noticable on the top mount as well?
I took a picture from above and compared it with online pictures but it is hard to see the difference. I just went out and stood on the off side off the vehicle and I can pull the engine to the right quite a bit without to much effort.
I took a picture from above and compared it with online pictures but it is hard to see the difference. I just went out and stood on the off side off the vehicle and I can pull the engine to the right quite a bit without to much effort.
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Engine-side mount doesn't have much side-side resistance, most of that's in the gearbox-side mount (under the battery).
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The gearbox mounting has an inverted U-shape bracket that bolts to the gearbox. Remove the battery box and support the gearbox on a jack. It's only a few minutes to remove the whole mounting/support assembly. If the rubber mount has failed it should be easy to see the damage.
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It's hard to peek underneath the battery tray to see what it state it's in.
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I pop out and have a look!
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I appreciate your input but I think there's nothing wrong with the bracket, if I would loose the nut on the bracket (the dogbone and bracket together) will have a space of 15mm between the gearbox.
I took of this bracket to avoid breaking anything of the exhaust. it's only two bolts extra to take off and it gave me just enough space to wiggle that long bolt out.
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I have compared my gearbox mount with the pictures online and it seems mine has collapsed. the top metal bit with the bolt sits right on the rubber so I new one is on order and ready for collection tomorrow.
Here's hoping this will solve the issue!
Here's hoping this will solve the issue!
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Yes it has, it's got the same dimensions as the orginal one. The old genuine one still has the sticker on it so I checked with a local Fiat dealer to see if it's the right part. They were happy to get me a genuine one for around £80 to be sure. (I declined lol)
Strange as the mount sinking a cm or so shouldn’t make that much difference. I might be wrong
As far as I remember the mount over the gearbox is slotted but only a few mm
I have deliberately avoiding this one but do the chassis rails look straight
Anyhow the gearbox mount needs changing for the symptoms, see earlier in the thread
As you/we don't seem to have really got to the bottom of this yet, can I suggest to you that if it starts to look like whatever it is that's wrong turns out to be something expensive, you have a good look at the rear axle, especially the spring pans, which are known to rust out badly. The sumps can also rust badly, so badly that they can actually become porous and seep oil. There is also a metal coolant pipe which runs along the front of the engine behind the exhaust down pipe/catalyser which can look to be in good condition until you look closely and find very localized rusting which can cause coolant leaks (around where the little mounting bracket is welded to it is a favourite place. This same pipe has a rubber O ring which seals it into the back of the water pump and this too can leak. Sumps and the water pipe are not that expensive from places like Shop4parts and 3rd party rear axles can be had for not too much money: https://www.imaxle.co.uk/new-fiat-panda-axle but there's quite a bit of labour if you're not able to do it yourself. Sorry if that sounds a bit depressing, I'm deliberately mentioning the known weak points. These cars are pretty good in this respect compared to the problems that can develop with many other makes, so don't feel despondent!
Just thought I'd mention this as 'twould be a bit disappointing to find problems here after spend real cash solving the present one?
Just thought I'd mention this as 'twould be a bit disappointing to find problems here after spend real cash solving the present one?
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Yes I agree, later this afternoon I lifted (more like supporting) the gearbox side with a hydraulic jack to see the effect but I could not spot any difference.
But the mount is ordered so I will replace it tomorrow anyway as it looks like it has collapsed.
Eh... no I work with the car on it's wheels on my drive so not been able to judge if the car has been severely damaged
But the mount is ordered so I will replace it tomorrow anyway as it looks like it has collapsed.
Eh... no I work with the car on it's wheels on my drive so not been able to judge if the car has been severely damaged
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Thanks for pointing this out.
I was looking at a few Panda's in good condition but the current prices are sky high at the traders so went down the route of private sales.
When I was looking at the one I have now I did notice it had already a new rear axle and springs and brake lines. Also a new sump and brand new front tyres. When I took the front wheels off I found also new brake discs and pads so I don't mind to invest a little to keep this car going for a while.
Body work is really nice considering the age (will do a proper polish in the spring) And yes there are quiet a few things what needs replaced like timing belt kit (at first) and that coolant pipe you mentioned looks it will burst any moment!! Next will be front suspension as it looks in a terrible rusted state. It doesn't help that I use the car on muddy rough tracks and roads riddled with deep potholes..... I was aiming for a 4x4 when started looking but bought a 1.1 Active...
Anyway I love the little Panda, took it to work for a week and staying on the inside lane on the motorway it does return around 50 mpg.
i wonder if the
Gearbox Mount worn out
engine bounces up and down until
Either the aluminium cradle breaks or unbolts
Did think when bolting the last one on it looked fragile for cast aluminium
Its quite easy to inspect if you remove the wheel
Gearbox Mount worn out
engine bounces up and down until
Either the aluminium cradle breaks or unbolts
Did think when bolting the last one on it looked fragile for cast aluminium
Its quite easy to inspect if you remove the wheel
