My TA is coming up on 2 years old, 32K on the clock....S and S has worked perfectly since day one.
This post will put the kybosh on that though.
Cheers
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This post will put the kybosh on that though.
Cheers
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General Calling all start 'n' stop owners!
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General Calling all start 'n' stop owners!
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Had my 500 1.2 Sport S&S for 14 days . The S&S hasn't worked in that time, but I'm getting no warning lights. I only have a 6 mile ride to work so I didn't expect it to work after reading the conditions of use in the manual (engine still cold, cold external temperature). However, last night a friend of mine pulled up in the street in her TA and the S&S cut in as soon as she stopped. (She'd done 9 miles from cold). This got me thinking about my S&S, so today at work I got the sparky to check the battery ( the car had been sat for 8 hours) and it read 12.25V. Today after work I came the long way home (33 miles) to see if the S&S worked. It didn't. After reading most of the posts in this thread I'm wondering is it worth putting the car in to Fiat and getting the S&S working.nytullett23
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Good luck!
I have raised a case with Fiat myself on my ss issue, I have no meaningful comment from them and they tell me they are not aware of a large scale problem. I decided to ring my dealers to see if they had any more info and it appears a tech is coming all the way from Italy to investigate the same issue on another 500. It seems that are not convinced its software related which would tie in with comments on this site.
My car is 10 months old 11k and ss has not worked as it should since day 1.
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If the battery is at too low a level of charge for the S/S to work, going on extra long drives isn't going to make it work - the alternator won't increase the charge level of the battery, it just replaces what was taken out by the starter as a 'surface charge' - i.e. ions sitting on the surface of the plates and not within the electrolyte.
I suspect your battery needs a full charge with a proper smart charger (not a fixed current charger), and the intelligent battery sensor needs resetting (i.e. disconnecting). Then further investigations should be made to see whether the alternator is doing its job correctly.
My Twinair is now a year old. Start /stop has never really worked. Today when I was out I wanted a bit of peace and quiet, so switched off the radio. Lo and behold the S/S worked almost flawlessly with the radio off. Italian piece of crap. You just got to love them.
Mine hadn't worked for a week, but I was doing short runs with everything on - Doblo by the way. It had been working before a run of short journeys though. Then I blasted down to Cambridge (70 miles) and now the S&S is working, even with the A/C running, plus the radio and running lights. My guess is that it stops when the battery is tired and gets going again once the charge is adequate.
When it feels happy it will work almost immediately after starting in bitter weather. I can't detect a pattern in all honesty. But it has been dark and bitterly cold recently, and so if you are doing short runs with the lights, wipers and all the rest on it isn't going to cut in much, is it
When it feels happy it will work almost immediately after starting in bitter weather. I can't detect a pattern in all honesty. But it has been dark and bitterly cold recently, and so if you are doing short runs with the lights, wipers and all the rest on it isn't going to cut in much, is it
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sounds odd,
my T/A certainly isn't effected by minor drains like the radio,
works WELL after a good run, BUT very patch in day-to-day use,
However with the 500 1.2 loan-car we had the S/S on that worked faultlessly - highlighting how poor mine is :bang:
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Pssssst. No one tell him that the S&S system is actually designed by Bosch.
"German quality".
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sounds odd,
my T/A certainly isn't effected by minor drains like the radio,
works WELL after a good run, BUT very patch in day-to-day use,
However with the 500 1.2 loan-car we had the S/S on that worked faultlessly - highlighting how poor mine is :bang:
Your battery isn't fully charged.
Aye. German quality fitted by fecking Italians to a fecking Italian designed car. The German's had nae chance.
I also own a Vauxhall Mokka. Assembled by the South Koreans. S/S has worked flawlessly since day one. But don't get me started on that fecking car. Supplied by Evans Hellshaw. What a bunch of feckers they are.
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Update on my open case with Fiat re random ss restarts
Fiat customer care ring me every week to update, the other car the dealership are looking at its going in for a week to be looked at Fiat tech from Italy next week.
Since the weather has improved in Essex my stop start is working much better, I am starting to think the issues are temperature related. The re firing is not happening as much as before and the time between cut out and restart is growing very very strange.
Fi long distance runs made no difference to improving the issue in my case.
Fiat customer care ring me every week to update, the other car the dealership are looking at its going in for a week to be looked at Fiat tech from Italy next week.
Since the weather has improved in Essex my stop start is working much better, I am starting to think the issues are temperature related. The re firing is not happening as much as before and the time between cut out and restart is growing very very strange.
Fi long distance runs made no difference to improving the issue in my case.
They're assembled by Quantum Mechanics; S/S operation is governed by the Uncertainty Principle
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They don't need much help by the Italians:
http://www.audi-sport.net/vb/audi-s...lems-definitive-guide-audi-vw-skoda-seat.html
and..
http://www.bmwforums.info/general-g...ou-ever-ever-need-know-about-swirl-flaps.html
and..
http://www.audiforum.ca/a4-b6-typ-8...ent-lawsuit-over-1-8t-oil-sludge-issue-62805/
and..
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/miscellaneous/2013-03/massive-dsg-recall-in-china/
Awesome 'quality'.
South Koreans are the ones to watch - the quality is spot on, and the design/styling is starting to get there too.
Dealers are 95% of the trouble; the car is fundamentally well designed, but if it's supplied and the dealer don't carry out the PDI as they should (i.e. bench charge the battery), then it's not going to work.
IMO the factory must share the responsibility; whilst it's true that many issues should be picked up at PDI and clearly aren't, they wouldn't be issues at all if the factory QC was working as it should. I'd say that at least half the teething problems reported on this forum could have been fixed before the car ever left the works.
FIAT could also be much more reactive in dealing with obvious design faults; the way the early breather hose failures were dealt with was little short of appaling; cars were still leaving the factory with old-type hoses at least 12 months after the problem was well known.
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How do they charge a battery when it's left the factory? The dealer documentation is pretty clear, cars MUST have their battery condition checked and be fully bench charged before being released to the customer.
I'll grant you the breather hose one, that's a silly issue. But the S&S battery charge issue is a service issue.
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Absolutely. I was replying in the more general context of the car as a whole.
Not all S/S failures have been battery charge issues; faulty &/or badly adjusted sensors have taken their toll as well.
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Understood.
I definitely don't disagree. Dealership service ranges from awful, to patchy. Some people are lucky and get a good/caring dealer, but they're few and far between!
But the 500 is assembled in Poland......
