Can't, it'll increase vehicle tax band possibly, and companies overal kg CO2 per km per average vehicle stats :bang:
General Calling all start 'n' stop owners!
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General Calling all start 'n' stop owners!
Can't, it'll increase vehicle tax band possibly, and companies overal kg CO2 per km per average vehicle stats :bang:
Exactly! as you intimate, it is there to help massage the figures and it seems that once those avourable statistics have been officially recognised it is irrelevant to the authorities that they can be so misleading.
I also asked some questions in a similar vein about my Abarth from a curiosity point of view. I queried how the emissions overall of an A500 are "the same" even if the esseesse kit has been fitted. Also, in respect of safety, how can the std version with seven airbags have the same rating as one that has been fitted with Sabelt seats and therefore loses the side airbags.
It would appear that once they leave the factory gates what happens afterwards isn't of consequence.
Exactly! as you intimate, it is there to help massage the figures and it seems that once those avourable statistics have been officially recognised it is irrelevant to the authorities that they can be so misleading.
I also asked some questions in a similar vein about my Abarth from a curiosity point of view. I queried how the emissions overall of an A500 are "the same" even if the esseesse kit has been fitted. Also, in respect of safety, how can the std version with seven airbags have the same rating as one that has been fitted with Sabelt seats and therefore loses the side airbags.
It would appear that once they leave the factory gates what happens afterwards isn't of consequence.
Same with the Grande with the active not having side bags and the new EVO / 2012 having a knee bag and them reducing the amount of metal in the crash beams ( I have had both a mk 1 gp and EVO rear beams in my hand). But seen no new tests on ncap
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Hi Robin, no it wasn't built to order. It was Arnold Clark Stock - but it had to come from stock down south as there was no black in Scotland. It also didn't have a registration number until it arrived if that helps any?
Thanks mate, well, it sounds as though your software update had more effect than mines which made no difference at all.
See how we go on Monday 1st July, it's booked into the other dealer. It's close on 50 mile run to get there, and the way it's going just now the system won't come on so hopefully they'll find something. I will update
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S/S problems seem to often stem from a battery that has been allowed to discharge over time and is then not properly charged before the car is handed over to you. Basically your car probably needs to have the battery removed and given a fancy pulse charge (I think it is called - others on here will chip in if I am wrong) and then properly put back in the car (again I forget exactly what needs to happen but read the last couple of hundred posts on here or wait for someone with a better memory or technical understanding than me to come along and confirm it).
There's a good chance that will cure your woes.
There's a good chance that will cure your woes.
That's a far better explanation than you'll get out of most dealers. And it should be done before the car is driven off the forecourt, but usually isn't.
Hi j8snl,
Hopefully the other dealer will be able to pick up what is wrong with your car. Do let us know how you get on.
There was a similar query on the Panda section a little while ago. Basically though, if S/S is causing you a load of stress (not saying it is necessarily, but in case you are peeved with it!) then in my opinion I'd just disable it until you take it in to the dealer.
You'll see my post and reasoning on this thread; the same applies whether you have a 1.2 or TA really:
https://www.fiatforum.com/panda-iii/327522-panda-0-9-start-stop-niggles.html
Just another thought for you anyway, if you disagree then fair enough!
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It's just stuck on the car if left off for about 30 mins which it will be if pulse charged. the car then relearn what a healthy battery looks like after about 5 journeys......
If you still have issues get a decent multi meter which will give dc voltage to 2 decimal places... After you drive home pop the bonnet get out and lock the cat and time 10 mins from engine off lift bonnet and measure battery voltage without unlocking the car it should read higher than 12.72 v. (from memory) if not the battery is goosed
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Yeah I know... Spell Checks / Predictive Texting.....
But I love 'Lock the Cat'
Just doubled checked and voltage above is correct after charging leave battery standing for 2 hours to allow surface charge to dissipate before fitting to the cat
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Just doubled checked and voltage above is correct after charging leave battery standing for 2 hours to allow surface charge to dissipate before fitting to the cat
Meow!
Just doubled checked and voltage above is correct after charging leave battery standing for 2 hours to allow surface charge to dissipate before fitting to the cat
Thats going to make its eyes light up
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I admit I have not read 100% of the posts here, however from what I have read we have a similar issue to everyone else.
Our car is only 4 months old. It is a Fiat 500 Twin Air Lounge.
When we first drove it the start stop worked okay. Although was intermittent when my wife drove it, if I drove it, it worked okay. I thought this was the way my wife drives which is not precise in respect of clutch etc actions.
However the start stop stopped working altogether. Initially, as my wife drives it far more than I do, I assumed the cars cpu had learnt she dosnt use it so didn't take much notice, however she was swearing it wasn't that and booked it into the dealer.
The dealer did a software update and told us it was fixed.
It wasn't. As soon as we drove away from the service department it wasn't working.
So it went back again for more work.
Now after having the car for two days they have decided due to my wife only doing small amount of mileage (their words) the battery needs to be trickle charged every week.
The problem with this statement is that whilst my wife does do very small mileage about once a week or so the car goes for a drive of 70 odd kilometres which should be more than sufficient to top up the battery.
I do not accept for one moment the argument in respect of the battery. If the battery is not being properly charged then fix the alternator or replace the battery so the charge is correct.
The other argument is you cannot run the daylight driving lights when the start stop is engaged. Uhmmm...Bulls... I accept the air conditioner cant be on, however from new the driving lights were running full time and the start stop was working. If this was a problem it would be very f...ing simple to add switching to the start stop system to turn off the daylight driving lights when the car engine stops. Heck I could do it if I wanted too, so I would think Fiat can.
The lack of start stop functionality, the litany of rather daft excuses from the dealers, the lack of contact email for Fiat themselves to enable verification of the c..p the dealers are spewing, the excessive fuel consumption and what this thread indicates as a total lack of interest, is all pointing towards taking advantage of our lemon laws to return the car to the dealer for a refund.
Our car is only 4 months old. It is a Fiat 500 Twin Air Lounge.
When we first drove it the start stop worked okay. Although was intermittent when my wife drove it, if I drove it, it worked okay. I thought this was the way my wife drives which is not precise in respect of clutch etc actions.
However the start stop stopped working altogether. Initially, as my wife drives it far more than I do, I assumed the cars cpu had learnt she dosnt use it so didn't take much notice, however she was swearing it wasn't that and booked it into the dealer.
The dealer did a software update and told us it was fixed.
It wasn't. As soon as we drove away from the service department it wasn't working.
So it went back again for more work.
Now after having the car for two days they have decided due to my wife only doing small amount of mileage (their words) the battery needs to be trickle charged every week.
The problem with this statement is that whilst my wife does do very small mileage about once a week or so the car goes for a drive of 70 odd kilometres which should be more than sufficient to top up the battery.
I do not accept for one moment the argument in respect of the battery. If the battery is not being properly charged then fix the alternator or replace the battery so the charge is correct.
The other argument is you cannot run the daylight driving lights when the start stop is engaged. Uhmmm...Bulls... I accept the air conditioner cant be on, however from new the driving lights were running full time and the start stop was working. If this was a problem it would be very f...ing simple to add switching to the start stop system to turn off the daylight driving lights when the car engine stops. Heck I could do it if I wanted too, so I would think Fiat can.
The lack of start stop functionality, the litany of rather daft excuses from the dealers, the lack of contact email for Fiat themselves to enable verification of the c..p the dealers are spewing, the excessive fuel consumption and what this thread indicates as a total lack of interest, is all pointing towards taking advantage of our lemon laws to return the car to the dealer for a refund.
Stop/start does work with the drl on. On the new Panda, there is no option to turn them off. How would your dealer explain that?
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But sir...that is a different car...
It also is a laugh when the drl were set to run all the time from factory and the s/s was working for the first 3-4 weeks of use.
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Mine takes about 30km to recharge the battery to working S/S levels, after a one week break.
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I had a BCU fitted and since then I get a message saying "start stop disconnected" I went back to the dealer and they said there was nothing wrong with it so I am now a former start and stop owner
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Worked with them switched on in the two 500's I've had.
Next they'll be saying it can't be used at night with the headlights on :chin:
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Or just ignore it? Treat it as though it's not there?
It's not adding any weight to the car as there already had to be a starter motor, a battery, an engine management ECU and a body computer (as is fitted to the non S&S models).
Or just fix it - by referring to someone who actually knows how the system works.
