Big result. it'll be fixed before you know it. Some nice alloys will finish it off.
General Brought a 2002 Stilo JTD as a project ...
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I only want to save her from the scrap heap, nothing more, so all she'll be getting is a new set of wheel trims(unless you like to donate some alloys
). What do you think of the trims pictured below?The tyres look almost new. Just hope I can sort this Body Computer issue(lights permanently on).
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That is what I did earlier and saw that one. It is however for a 1.6 and not the JTD, surely there would be a difference. The thing is, the BC should be as cheap as dirt so I cannot understand why Fiat is asking 450 pounds plus? Are you sure they did not quote the whole engine for that price?
Knowing Fiat they would not sell the BC separately, did you make sure on exactly what they quoted?
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That is what I did earlier and saw that one. It is however for a 1.6 and not the JTD, surely there would be a difference. The thing is, the BC should be as cheap as dirt so I cannot understand why Fiat is asking 450 pounds plus? Are you sure they did not quote the whole engine for that price?
Knowing Fiat they would not sell the BC separately, did you make sure on exactly what they quoted?
I think its the body style and spec that matters not the engine.
Item number 5 £450 - See for yourself, here's a few screen shots from the ePER.
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Well I reconnected the Body Computer this morning and the airbag light came on so I got my laptop out, fired up FES and connected to the airbags, no errors stored.
This faulty BC is now playing tricks on me.
Hope the new one turns up today.
This faulty BC is now playing tricks on me.
Hope the new one turns up today.
not wanting to insult, but you are connecting to the airbag ECU with the VAG COM cable?...only i remember you once saying you weren't going to make the airbag mod to the cable, as you didnt want to mess with the airbags...
recently whilst fitting my leather steering wheel (involved the drivers airbag) the airbag light came on, but no fault was logged...i was equally puzzled...so i kept un-plugging, re-plugging bits of the airbag system...and it all functioned normally (error codes etc)...
might it be worth "creating" a fault in the airbag system, see if it picks it up?
recently whilst fitting my leather steering wheel (involved the drivers airbag) the airbag light came on, but no fault was logged...i was equally puzzled...so i kept un-plugging, re-plugging bits of the airbag system...and it all functioned normally (error codes etc)...
might it be worth "creating" a fault in the airbag system, see if it picks it up?
those trims will look nice but if they cost more than 40 quid you can get some dynamic alloys with tyre for not much more, then sell your old wheels with tyres on to get back the extra money.
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Yes I am connecting to the airbag ECU with my modified VAG COM cable(pic attached showing microswitch) and your correct I did say I wouldn't mess with airbags, best left to the pro's. BUT, as every little boy will tell you, WE HAVE TO MESS! I've been dying to have a mess with the airbags but didn't want to mess up our Multiwagon ...
So due to this car just being something for me to do with my spare time I ran the VAG COM cable out the window and plugged it into my laptop that was on the bonnet. Anything goes wrong and 6 airbags decide to fire, I'm no where near them.
The airabg ECU reports no errors but the Body Computer is switching on the airbag light and as its also switching on other lights all over the vehicle I'm sure there's no actual errors and its just the BC playing tricks on me.
I'm expecting delivery of a new BC in the next few days so I'll wait untill its fitted before I decide to start fiddling with the airbags.
A little off topic but I helped a fellow forum member sort out the airbags on his Punto HGT a few days ago.
https://www.fiatforum.com/punto/282061-help-clearing-error-codes.html
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Anyone any experience of adjusting tappets on their JTD? Is a kit of different shims available or do you need to order each one separately if/ when needed?
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Where have you seen Dynamic Alloys for £40?
dynamic wheels and tyres would go for about 100. Your wheels with good tyres would go for about 70 to 80 so as long as your wheels trims are cheap go for it. I just think a nice set of wheels on a car can change the way it looks
Order each one seperately. Between £6 and £16 (GBP) each from Fiat depending on size. A kit of them would be horrendously expensivve.
Occasionally, you can swap some of the existing ones to different valves.
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Well my daughter was involved in a crash this morning(someone pulled out on her).
Her Multiwagon will probabely be written off and guess what?
It has alloys on it.
Well my daughter was involved in a crash this morning(someone pulled out on her).
Her Multiwagon will probabely be written off and guess what?
It has alloys on it.
What do they say about clouds and silver linings? :idea:
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I've just been thinking about that.
If I transplant my daughters car BC and the transponder in her cars key into the project car and key, I should have a working car she can use tomorrow? :chin:
only one way to find out
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Update on swopping Body Computers. Multiwagon onto a 5 Door.
First thing I noticed as soon as I plugged in my daughters BC to the project car was that it fixed the permanent lights on problem confirming that the original project car BC is faulty.
So I then swopped the key parts over to see if I could fool the immobiliser and start the engine. Answer - NO.
Next I connected FES to the BC and checked the CAN info. It reported multiple NODs removed/changed so I ran Proxi-Alignment and that cured it. So secondhand BC's can be used.
BUT I'm now left with an error code, its the same error code but one in the Engine ECU and one in the BC.(screen shots attached below).
U1600, could this be solved by swopping over the transponder reciever coil thingy's that fit around the ignition switch??
Or do I have to pop it into a Fiat dealer to have the key's re-coded to the car?
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Just called Guest Fiat Dealer just around the corner from me and they want £90 to progaram the key back to the car. £50 for a code and £40 to program the key.(robbing b*st*rds!)
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I've just realised that I'll not be gaining anything by using the BC from my daughters car because when the other BC eventually arrives I'll have the same £90 dealer fee to pay to fix my daughters car, so time to put the BC back into my daughters car, there's enough work to do on her car as it is.
(You were right Dave, I've decided to fix it for her. My mate is giving me the money in 2 parts, £450 this evening for parts and £450 the end of next month or I'll be taking his front door off. :devil
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Using a second hand BC can be done but FES can't(at the moment) do Proxi-Alignment on a Stilo that has Climate Control(I know because mine has it) so untill FES is able to proxi-align a Stilo Climate Control you'll not be able to configure a second hand BC on a Stilo with Cilmate Control.
First thing I noticed as soon as I plugged in my daughters BC to the project car was that it fixed the permanent lights on problem confirming that the original project car BC is faulty.
So I then swopped the key parts over to see if I could fool the immobiliser and start the engine. Answer - NO.
Next I connected FES to the BC and checked the CAN info. It reported multiple NODs removed/changed so I ran Proxi-Alignment and that cured it. So secondhand BC's can be used.
BUT I'm now left with an error code, its the same error code but one in the Engine ECU and one in the BC.(screen shots attached below).
U1600, could this be solved by swopping over the transponder reciever coil thingy's that fit around the ignition switch??
Or do I have to pop it into a Fiat dealer to have the key's re-coded to the car?
Edit.
Just called Guest Fiat Dealer just around the corner from me and they want £90 to progaram the key back to the car. £50 for a code and £40 to program the key.(robbing b*st*rds!)
Edit 2.
I've just realised that I'll not be gaining anything by using the BC from my daughters car because when the other BC eventually arrives I'll have the same £90 dealer fee to pay to fix my daughters car, so time to put the BC back into my daughters car, there's enough work to do on her car as it is.
(You were right Dave, I've decided to fix it for her. My mate is giving me the money in 2 parts, £450 this evening for parts and £450 the end of next month or I'll be taking his front door off. :devil
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Using a second hand BC can be done but FES can't(at the moment) do Proxi-Alignment on a Stilo that has Climate Control(I know because mine has it) so untill FES is able to proxi-align a Stilo Climate Control you'll not be able to configure a second hand BC on a Stilo with Cilmate Control.
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Did you swap all the key parts including the glass vial transponder?
The transponder should be recognised by it's matched BC which then sends an "Allow Start" signal to the engine management ECU. I don't think the EM ECU holds the key code as well, but just in case it does, you could try swapping the EM ECU too.
U1600 would come up if you've used a key with the wrong transponder.
The reciever coil "thingy" is only a coil, it just picks up the code from whichever key you have close to it.
You could have tried it by wrapping the "wrong" key handle in thick Bacofoil so you could use it to turn the ignition (the Bacofoil would prevent the transponder signal getting through to the reciever) while holding the "correct" key (and transponder) close to the reciever.
Just a thought (because of the error message)... perhaps FES can only Proxy-Align one node at a time. I seem to remember that when Yani was investigating Proxy-Alignment for FES it was so he could Proxy-Align a retro fit CN+ into his Stilo to avoid the need for the 4 second delay circuit, not to configure multiple NODES.
If feeling adventurous, you could try disconecting all the extra NODES then reconnect and Proxy-Align them one at a time.
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