Baseball Bat Steering Wheel Locks

[arc]

Baseball bat in the car is ok, as long as you have the glove and ball, plus a few baseball magazines for good measure - 'just on the way to the local park, officer'

that doesnt work, mate mine got arrested trying that excuse.

i have a steering lock thing in my car, but its in the boot - and i use it for stopping the wheels rolling when i jack the car up.

ending up waving bats at people? Where do you people find these nutters on the road?

 

[Dr_Pepper]

I'd rather hand over my car than hit somebody in the head with a bat and risk killing them

Not me. And I wouldn't feel guilty in the slightest.

Trust me Mase, if you carried and then used a baseball bat shaped crook lock you would be in trouble in court

I don't think this is true at all. If the police can see you acted in self defense you would be fine if you didn't use excessive and unnecessay force. It's primary use as a crook lock is obvious. It's not an offensive weapon.

And if they don't want to be offended by it they won't try to steal my car. The criminals that is!!!

 

[mase]

Trust me Mase, if you carried and then used a baseball bat shaped crook lock you would be in trouble in court, unlike if you used a normal crook lock. In a normal situation it would be fine - it's a crook lock and you can have those in your car. It's when the intention to use it as a crook lock turns to using it as a baseball bat (hence offensive weapon) when it becomes difficult to defend yourself legally.

when exactly did i ever say i had the intention of using it as an offensive weapon? from my end this was neva about using is as an offensive weapon, it was a tounge in cheek look at how handy a car saftey device would b if a chav attacked u.

and i dont c how swingin at someone attacking u with the first thing that comes to hand is havin the intention to use it as a weapon???????

and i also dont c how the shape of the lock makes any difference, at the end of the day, all i said was if u were attacked an reached for somethin to defend your self with, then that is self defence regardless of wat it was u reached for, and wat the thing was originally used for!

 

[arc]

And if they don't want to be offended by it they won't try to steal my car. The criminals that is!!!

law doesnt work like that tho does it, it protects the criminal and prosecutes the honest man

 

[The Negotiator]

Not you, I didn't mean to be specific hence "on this thread", sorry.


Richard, I bet you £5 that in that situation you wouldn't do what you think you would do, ask 99% of people who have been in that position and they can't warrent possibly killing somebody for the sake of a car.

The primary use of the bat would be brought into question (without a doubt) if it were used. Just like if you had a knife in your car for a picnic and grabbed that, it would be difficult to worm your way out of that too.

This is positive for the law though, you don't want to knock somebody's car by accident and then face a guy yielding a baseball bat shaped crook lock in your face....!

 

[Dr_Pepper]

law doesnt work like that tho does it, it protects the criminal and prosecutes the honest man

Well there are some issues where this can be the case... but in general I think the police do a good job which the politicians don't make easy.

Plus like I said I wouldn't worry about any of that if some **** thinks he can get my car, and especially if he thinks attacking me is a good idea!

 

[Stu DemonD]

But Stu....what about your ceiling?!

F**k the ceiling, be more concerned about Jules and the kids.......

 

[Stu DemonD]

that doesnt work, mate mine got arrested trying that excuse.

Fair enough - was he wearing a baseball cap though - could have been his downfall.

 

[mase]

The primary use of the bat would be brought into question (without a doubt) if it were used. Just like if you had a knife in your car for a picnic and grabbed that, it would be difficult to worm your way out of that too.

This is positive for the law though, you don't want to knock somebody's car by accident and then face a guy yielding a baseball bat shaped crook lock in your face....!

i dont think i was gettin my point across properly.

this is the situation, u are bein jacked by a guy who is weilding a knife at u, threatening u, and has obviously made the first agressive attacking move.
if then u reached behind u for somethin to defend your self with and in 1 motion swung out at that said attacker with said object and struck him once that is pure self defence, that fact that the object was your car lock that happens to b shaped like a base ball bat makes absolutly no difference to wat happened, u were attacked and defended yourself and your property using the amount of force u saw necessary (note the 1 strike, not excessive!) as is your right to protect yourself!

 

[The Negotiator]

Well in that situation I question your choices, if you have enough time to reach into your car, you will have enough time to drive off?

Also I am not getting my point accross or the law accross. If it was proven you carried it with the intention of using it as a weapon it would cause problems.

 

[Stu DemonD]

law doesnt work like that tho does it, it protects the criminal and prosecutes the honest man

Yep, I agree with that totally - the law in this land stinks!?!

As a would-be burglar, my rights are far greater than the person I am stealing!And if I was to get caught [look at that guy in papers recently, caught on webcam, lol], 11 months? Wow wee.....tie them up in the market square and pelt them with tomatoes, a lot more fun

 

[Dr_Pepper]

You are wrong Paul... I would never, ever, feel guilty about killing someone who was trying to kill me. Ever.

You might say he wasn't going to kill me he only wanted the car, but I'm not giving it to him. Under any circumstances. So if he then uses force I will not feel guilty about also using force. Definately.

And Mase, I'm totally with you.

 

[The Negotiator]

What I mean is Stu most would empty the second barrel into the guy again....Personally if I knew somebody was only after property and my chances were low I would stand back.

Then again, all at the NW meet can agree with me when I say I hardly look threatening lol

 

[The Negotiator]

But in 999/1000 times the person has no intention to kill you, so you would kill somebody simply trying to steal your car?!

I remember being told that like 7/10 of soldiers in WW2 didn't shoot to kill recently, that's why I make the claim I do. Plenty of people say "I would...." but I know MOST (am willing to accept not all!) wouldn't

 

[Dr_Pepper]

Yeah and 99% of all statistics are bull****!!!!

It's nothing to do with the car, other than that I won't just give it up. If he doesn't attack me, I won't attack him. If he attacks me and I subsequently kill him I won't feel guilty. He could have walked away. He could have not been there in first place. It's entirely his choice what happens.

 

[chaos]

I reckon that if someone tries car jacking you, then you have 2 choices -

1 - Clobber him over the head with the nearest thing to hand (in my case, my crooklock or my fist)

2 - Just drive off (if you can)

However, if your life is threatened (like if somone is holding a knife at your throat) then you are DEFINATELY better off backing down - after all there are millions of other cars out there, but there is only ONE YOU.

With regards to the law about protecting your property (as I see it) - you CAN use lethal force, and you will 'get away with it' if it is a spur of the moment, blind panic sort of situation. If you continually beat the s**t out of him, then you are in the wrong as you are assaulting him.

I just hope that I never have to be in that situation cos I have some good guard dogs!

 

[mase]

Well in that situation I question your choices, if you have enough time to reach into your car, you will have enough time to drive off?

Also I am not getting my point accross or the law accross. If it was proven you carried it with the intention of using it as a weapon it would cause problems.

if i was in my car, stopped, with someone who had opened the door, and who had a knife, and was tryin to steal my car (exactly like wat would happen during a car jacking!!!) then i would try an fight them off, funnily enough wat any human being who was bein attacked would try an do.

that is where the reaching for somethin comes into play, it doesnt have to b a crook lock, i also keep football boots in my car, if i hit him with one of those, he fell back, crakced his head a died, would my football boot b classed as an offensive weapon?

i kno very well wat the law states, but i dont c how hittin them once to stop them stabbing u and stealing your car is classed as excessive force?

 

[Stu DemonD]

if i was in my car, stopped, with someone who had opened the door, and who had a knife, and was tryin to steal my car (exactly like wat would happen during a car jacking!!!) then i would try an fight them off, funnily enough wat any human being who was bein attacked would try an do.

Unless of course the would-be assailant sees that you are just wearing socks; he would probably **** himself laughing

 

[mase]

Unless of course the would-be assailant sees that you are just wearing socks; he would probably **** himself laughing

oi... i had trousers (be it wet trousers) and a t-shirt on as well!!!

 

[bad_boy_racer]

Apart from the fact that it 1)protects my car and 2)protects/ makes me feel safer - surely a reason for having a carbon firbe effect bat looka-like crook-lock is that it 1)a novelty item 2) more asthetically pleasing than a standard crook lock - whilst serving the same purpose as a normal crook lock....
In my book both perfectly pluasible reasons in a court of law for one to purchase such an item - not purchasing it with the intent to beat someone to death with it... if one wanted to do that would one not buy one of those replica police foldable baton thingys???