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Old 24-09-2013   #16
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Really! 90 quid....is that from your local vehicle graphics company? I was wondering who I should go to. I am thinking of having a webasto folding sunroof too, this will be black of course so will tie in nicely.
Although I emailed 2 of their agents for info and prices over a week ago and have not heard from either - not promising!
I received the following when I enquired about Webasto roof for my 4x4 TA
" thanks for the email. the hollandia 400 does fit in your panada. i am waiting for webasto to give me a fitting time on your exact car. a rough guide is

hollandia 400 parts only £730 inc vat and postage , plus fitting which would be around 280 plus vat (if its a normal fit). if you would like to go ahead i can look into exact pricing for you. thanks stuart 01752 893368"

Another agent has quoted me significantly less but, being in Italy at the moment, I can't come up with the figure.

I got quite interested but the figures show that the actual opening is a lot shorter than the hole in the roof, so I'm not sure now. A good deal of the work is to compensate for removing the brace across the middle of the roof apparently.
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I received the following when I enquired about Webasto roof for my 4x4 TA
" thanks for the email. the hollandia 400 does fit in your panada. i am waiting for webasto to give me a fitting time on your exact car. a rough guide is

hollandia 400 parts only £730 inc vat and postage , plus fitting which would be around 280 plus vat (if its a normal fit). if you would like to go ahead i can look into exact pricing for you. thanks stuart 01752 893368"

Another agent has quoted me significantly less but, being in Italy at the moment, I can't come up with the figure.

I got quite interested but the figures show that the actual opening is a lot shorter than the hole in the roof, so I'm not sure now. A good deal of the work is to compensate for removing the brace across the middle of the roof apparently.
Hi
I've had a quote from an agent in Sussex of £1170 total. Yes the actual hole is smaller than the total size as there is a fair bit of strength to be built back in. The opening is actually 640◊620 according to the webasto website.
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You may have to lower the headlining to remove the antenna base.
Mine was supposed to go in Friday, but is postponed till next week
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Re: removing roof rails.

They should know better than remove any bracing / piece of metal from a 4x4 vehicle.

This car does not have a separate ladder frame, so all bracing matters and might be just enough as it is.


My guess is they just can't resist making a few quid and they wouldn't be the ones driving the vehicle anyway.

Or maybe they think the guys at Fiat are just stupid for not offering this option for the 4x4.


Just my 2c.
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Quote Originally Posted by asxetos View Post
They should know better than remove any bracing / piece of metal from a 4x4 vehicle.

This car does not have a separate ladder frame, so all bracing matters and might be just enough as it is.


My guess is they just can't resist making a few quid and they wouldn't be the ones driving the vehicle anyway.

Or maybe they think the guys at Fiat are just stupid for not offering this option for the 4x4.


Just my 2c.
Good point. Have already decided to contact fiat before doing anything. Will report what they say.....
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Re: removing roof rails.

If I 'Antarctica my Panda' I want yellow (or is it orange?) mirror covers, so I'm going to wait for those to be available, as I'm sure they will be.

As to the roof. Unless the car is a keeper until it is worth pennies, then the loss in resale value to the car will be even more than the cost of having the sunroof fitted. Also, you will need to find an insurer that will accept this modification. Much as I think it is a gross injustice that FIAT won't sell us a factory 4x4 with sun-roof, there's no way I'd consider this modification on a nearly new car for which it was simply not available at source. For all we know, there is a perfectly good technical reason why FIAT won't fit these at source...

As to the wrap to the roof, that could look really good. I assume that is exactly what is fitted to the Antarctica, rather than a different colour paint.

More importantly though chaps, we should all be holding out for the penguins!!
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Good point. Have already decided to contact fiat before doing anything. Will report what they say.....
It's this only a problem with the 4x4?

Would it work on a standard panda?

Was the quote you got from Autotrim in Ivybridge?

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As to the wrap to the roof, that could look really good. I assume that is exactly what is fitted to the Antarctica, rather than a different colour paint.

More importantly though chaps, we should all be holding out for the penguins!!
I'd reckon it's painted myself. They wouldn't want people back with peeling vinyl like the door trim.

Forget the penguins (which incidentally may originate from Welsh- pen gwyn ( White head) every days a school day ) and put a panda there instead.
Arctic special edition.
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It's this only a problem with the 4x4?

Would it work on a standard panda?

Was the quote you got from Autotrim in Ivybridge?

Thanks. Kevin
No.

Yes.

Yes.

The loss of opening is more lengthwise as the fabric of the roof has to be folded up. As far as I can measure, the actual opening (as opposed to the hole in the roof) doesn't go back much further than the front of the rear doors.

I agree that it's a bit worrying cutting a big hole in one of the chief structural members, and I'd need reassurance that the strength of the vehicle hasn't been compromised. On the other hand, Webasto have been doing sun roofs as long as I can remember, they cover a lot of 4x4s, and they insist that it comes up to German technical standards, so I'm half convinced. The twin roof that Fiat offer on other Pandas does leave that cross member between the B-pillars (is that the right term? the one between the doors) in place.
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Re: removing roof rails.

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It's this only a problem with the 4x4?

Would it work on a standard panda?

Was the quote you got from Autotrim in Ivybridge?

Thanks. Kevin
Will post whatever fiat come back with.....
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Quote Originally Posted by 4x4Panda View Post
If I 'Antarctica my Panda' I want yellow (or is it orange?) mirror covers, so I'm going to wait for those to be available, as I'm sure they will be.

As to the roof. Unless the car is a keeper until it is worth pennies, then the loss in resale value to the car will be even more than the cost of having the sunroof fitted. Also, you will need to find an insurer that will accept this modification. Much as I think it is a gross injustice that FIAT won't sell us a factory 4x4 with sun-roof, there's no way I'd consider this modification on a nearly new car for which it was simply not available at source. For all we know, there is a perfectly good technical reason why FIAT won't fit these at source...

As to the wrap to the roof, that could look really good. I assume that is exactly what is fitted to the Antarctica, rather than a different colour paint.

More importantly though chaps, we should all be holding out for the penguins!!
I think the mirror caps are straight off the std Sicilian orange car?
Agree with most of what you say about the sunroof, on the other hand webasto have been fitting sunroofs for almost as long as there have been cars so should know what they are doing (!?) & if fiat say its OK then I think it will be fine. As u say I do intend keeping the car for min 5 years.
I might get a quote from my local body shop to spray the roof. He did a fab job on the alfa when it got scratched and could be cheaper than vinyl....
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Re: removing roof rails.

When A VW Transporter is converted into a camper with a pop top fitted, they cut the roof cross bars out. The pop roof comes with a strengthening frame.
I would think these sunroofs would be a similar .

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To me it would be money wasted as I will be handing the car back after the 3 year PCP and getting another new car. Would love to see the 400 folding fitted then I might change my mind.
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When A VW Transporter is converted into a camper with a pop top fitted, they cut the roof cross bars out. The pop roof comes with a strengthening frame.
I would think these sunroofs would be a similar .

http://youtu.be/jqf1rjBgK-k
I agree. These webasto sunroofs are the db's I will enquire but I'd imagine the strength they build in more than compensates for anything removed. The only issue I can foresee with fiat is their 8yr anti-perforation warranty for the area in question. I've asked them, let's see what they come back with.
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To me it would be money wasted as I will be handing the car back after the 3 year PCP and getting another new car. Would love to see the 400 folding fitted then I might change my mind.
I bought mine so its gonna stay for main 5 yes so worth considering. As I see it the only one worth looking at despite the cost is the 400 as the opening is so much bigger. The glass slots are a bit pointless imo.....
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