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Old 12-11-2019   #1
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Panda daily...

Hi all from Lovely South Africa.

Got myself a decent 09 100hp with 144k km on the clock. Coming from a 2016 vw up! Its a bit of a difference but i love it.

It has its problems which ill be addressing as time and importance allows...

So this is it, Grey or silver grey or carbon steal grey... not exactly sure of the colour name tbh

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Cosmetically it could use a detail. To neaten up the paint. Full wheel refurb as all four are mildly buckled which you feel at 120+kph. Maybe a colour change maybe keep them silver.
Polish the headlights and in the future do a projector retrofit with a joey mod, making the front a tad more aggressive.

Interior wise it needs a good clean. And the driver seat could do with a pad refurbishment. There is a loose metal rod in the backrest which has claimed a bit of blood already. The windows rattle when they are completely dropped which is annoying. At least the aircon works.

Mechanically the breaks could do with a cleanup. Calipers are corroded as well as discs so when its time to have them looked at ill replace the discs all round. Camber was out when wheel alignment was done but Ive read they have that issue from factory. Would a camber kit change that?

I am having a random issue where the temperature gauge takes really long to register the actual temp and once it does Itíll drop again when at highway speeds. What could be the problem? I suspect temp taking long to reach normal is whats affecting the fuel consumption. I had done a 30km trip to work and id used 1/4tank i was not impressed. I mean i was prepared for consumption to be higher than the Up!ís but wow that was a shock.

The goal for the car is to get it running 100s and explore the sport mode more... which im not even sure is working properly
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Re: Panda daily...

Problem with the temperature sounds like the thermostat is stuck open.

Search on here as I'm sure there's plenty of previous threads on the subject.
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Re: Panda daily...

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Problem with the temperature sounds like the thermostat is stuck open.



Search on here as I'm sure there's plenty of previous threads on the subject.


Ye thats what Iíve gathered from threads already... the plan is to do a change and fluid flush. Ive already changed the expansion bottle as the car came with a slightly leaky one. Im thinking i need to change some pipes and clips too as I saw some inventive usage of cable-ties. Does the coolant temp sensor need to be changed also? Where is that situated?
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I think it's fitted in the thermostat.....so maybe a good idea to fit a new one while you're changing it.

I think there's more than one type, so check out the plug of the original to make sure the new one is the same.
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Re: Panda daily...

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I think it's fitted in the thermostat.....so maybe a good idea to fit a new one while you're changing it.



I think there's more than one type, so check out the plug of the original to make sure the new one is the same.


Ok perfect! Ill have a look and see exactly or when i have it out ill take a pic to show to the parts guy. Now my next question is how much coolant is needed. Not too sure how big the system is for a 50:50 mix. Being in SA it can get hot and Iím never in an area where it can get below freezing... Is there a specific spec these cars need?
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So after owning this panda for a little over a 10days it has died. Havenít gotten the diagnosis just yet but it seems its a belt... oh well
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1.4 valves and head gasket are cheap. You probably wont need a full set.
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1.4 valves and head gasket are cheap. You probably wont need a full set.


Im hoping so. Would the crank get damaged at all? For some reason the garage is quoting me for a crank... unless the receptionist is confused about something...
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If the crank really is damaged you would be better replacing the engine.

You need to get fully "clued up". Some engines (e.g. Fiat/Alfa 1.8 and 2.0) can crease a crank bearing shell leading to early failure on the rebuilt engine. I don't know if the 1.4 is as sensitive. The crank would be fine it just needs the shells checking.


The 1.4 is a single cam with valve rockers it's likely they are built to bent on impact (they do that on the 1.3 diesel). You need to remove the rocker cover and at least look at the state of the top end. Bent rockers should be obvious. Non moving valves can be checked with a suitable lever to press them open.


I have done a Fiat 1.8 (cost a fortune in valves) but that's a twin cam so there's nothing to bend except the affected valves. I have not done valves on a 1.4.
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If the crank really is damaged you would be better replacing the engine.

You need to get fully "clued up". Some engines (e.g. Fiat/Alfa 1.8 and 2.0) can crease a crank bearing shell leading to early failure on the rebuilt engine. I don't know if the 1.4 is as sensitive. The crank would be fine it just needs the shells checking.


The 1.4 is a single cam with valve rockers it's likely they are built to bent on impact (they do that on the 1.3 diesel). You need to remove the rocker cover and at least look at the state of the top end. Bent rockers should be obvious. Non moving valves can be checked with a suitable lever to press them open.


I have done a Fiat 1.8 (cost a fortune in valves) but that's a twin cam so there's nothing to bend except the affected valves. I have not done valves on a 1.4.


Ya I was actually calling around to try find out cost of replacement engines. Still havenít received the quote yet but if its cheaper than a replacement engine obvs will recon, but if other way around then new engine it is. Im gonna go to the garage where it is to have a look and see what theyíre saying is true or not.
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Bear in mind that a new engine will need new cam belt as you cant trust whatever is fitted - more cost.
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how much did you pay for it? was a good deal?
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Re: Panda daily...

100hp timing woes
https://www.fiatforum.com/panda/480882-100hp-timing-woes.html

Its been a while since Iíve updated this thread so heres a link to the other thread I started to troubleshoot the rebuild issues.

I now have another problem thatís developed... the steel coolant pipe has given in. Going to order a new one and replace. Ive seen some threads here on the procedure but is it as simple as pop it out and replace?

Whats keeping the pipe seated under the pressure?
The seal and the one mounting bolt?
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how much did you pay for it? was a good deal?


Missed this. I over paid a bit, R65k randelas. The current book value is only R45k so ive lost a fair amount already considering 2weeks in to ownership the valves and pistons made babies.

Theres a bunch of maintenance to be done to the car still so more money... but oh well still a fun little car even with the niggles it has.

Will have to make a list of things to do maintenance wise and a wishlist of upgrades to do and see where those overlap to improve the car.
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Re: Panda daily...

The coolant pipe has an O-ring seal and one bolt to hold it in place. Red grease will help the seal to seat. Personally, I would paint it. Yes, I know, the old one lasted best part of 15 years but you can't beat some new paint.
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