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Maybe not but he's still done that speed in the same place before. It was his error that killed him. If he had done the exact same as the las before he wouldn't have died.

It's a mystery why they don't take learner drivers on the motorway! the fastest place you can drive and you don't get taught it, but as soon as you pass com go straight out on to a motorway?! Motorway driving is easy anyway I would say but still, its stupid.

Where do most accidents happen, motorways or other types of road?
 
rodduz said:
Well obviously there's exceptions to it but in general speed doesn't kill. A car can happily cruise along a ton even, no sweat. If everyone was going that speed, absolutely no problems. It's the dickheads to nervous to get up to the speed limits that will cause the accidents.
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Sure, the world would be a better place if everyone went on at the speed limit (where conditions allow) but that is not always possible for some people and it's up to everyone to try and take others actions into consideration and drive accordingly.

A bit like this mong who should have been able to see that people were still overtaking the bus but decided to keep on going to prove some sort of mongtastic point.

 
rodduz said:
Maybe not but he's still done that speed in the same place before. It was his error that killed him. If he had done the exact same as the las before he wouldn't have died.

It's a mystery why they don't take learner drivers on the motorway! the fastest place you can drive and you don't get taught it, but as soon as you pass com go straight out on to a motorway?! Motorway driving is easy anyway I would say but still, its stupid.

Where do most accidents happen, motorways or other types of road?
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Firstly, you OBVIOUSLY don't know anything about Senna's accident. Please do not continue to discuss something which you OBVIOUSLY have no clue about.

Secondly, see the first point.
 
speed don't kill its the Moran behind the wheel doing 80 when everyone else is doing 70 and moans cause, he can't save 10 seconds
average journey for me
10 mins at 30 to motorway
1 min getting to 70 on slip road

35 miles at 70 mph =30 mins
35 miles at 80 mph =26.25 mins

then
to final destination 10 mins at 30
so 51 mins without traveling at speed
47.25 mins at the extra stress
and fuel economy gone

is it that big a saving honestly?
 
Yeah and today our cars are better equipped to deal with other people's actions at higher speeds. Simple. Especially only ten miles per hour. It's far more important to have everyone on the road following basic rules, like stay to the left unless overtaking! And try to get somewhere close to the limit. A ten mile per hour increase in speed will have on effect roads being less safe.
 
Unknown, I don't care about saving time and anyway that's your journey, pretty irrelevant to me. I an being very honest when I say at 70 I am so bored and my attention is elsewhere. At nearer 90 I'm 100% concentrating.
 
I'm a far better driver when I'm allowed to eat newborn babies. So I should be allowed to eat babies while driving
 
Well its ok doing twenty coz I'm not on some long boring road am I. I'm usually on a narrow crap pot holed road with barely enough room for one car let alone two with one coming head on at me! Just a tad different circumstance. Motorway driving is ideal conditions. they don't get much better and there's no need to be driving at 70mph in my eyes.
 
rodduz said:
Well its ok doing twenty coz I'm not on some long boring road am I. I'm usually on a narrow crap pot holed road with barely enough room for one car let alone two with one coming head on at me! Just a tad different circumstance. Motorway driving is ideal conditions. they don't get much better and there's no need to be driving at 70mph in my eyes.
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What about being on the motorway when it's down to twenty?

Anyway you argument is completely stupid. If you can't drive on a motorway safely at all speeds from 0mph to 70mph then you shouldn't be on the motorway.
 
Well again that's different but still not exactly challenging driving! Who said I can't drive safely at all speeds? I can I just think we can be just as safe at a higher speed. If you can't drive at 80 safely frankly I think that's a disgrace.
 
calculate the stopping distances as well.
i don't have abs so i drive at around 4 seconds, rather than 2
the extra speed will cause a larger stopping distance.

and yes i have had to slam on, on the motorway before.
one car slammed on about 3 cars ahead after some div jumped infront of him.
so i had to slam on and realeasing that break pedal is a hard thing to do
 
rodduz said:
Well again that's different but still not exactly challenging driving! Who said I can't drive safely at all speeds? I can I just think we can be just as safe at a higher speed. If you can't drive at 80 safely frankly I think that's a disgrace.
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I didn't say I couldn't drive safely at 80. Quite frankly if you're going to make up stuff then your mums dads uncles fathers left knee is a disgrace.
 
Yeah so the stopping distance increases... as long as you know this is the case you can make decisions dependent on the increased stopping distance.

What did you say you had to slam the anchors on for again? Some div pulling out. Thought so. So a **** driver then not somebody driving too fast. Thought So. You will not often hear someone say there was nearly an accident due to some idiot speeding on the motorway. but you will often hear of them coz some tit can't drive properly. Simple
 
rodduz said:
Yeah so the stopping distance increases... as long as you know this is the case you can make decisions dependent on the increased stopping distance.

What did you say you had to slam the anchors on for again? Some div pulling out. Thought so. So a **** driver then not somebody driving too fast. Thought So. You will not often hear someone say there was nearly an accident due to some idiot speeding on the motorway. but you will often hear of them coz some tit can't drive properly. Simple
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You simply don't get it. When you hit the airbag with such force that you tear your main artery from your heart, blaming someone else (even if they are at fault) isn't going to stop you bleeding out into your own chest. The faster you're going the more likely you are to die when your car is forced to stop suddenly.
 
rodduz said:
and even in the cases of Ayrton Senna, again it wasn't the speed. He's done that speed plenty of times, has he died each time? No! Why coz it ain't the speed that killed, its the driver error. Take all variables in to account... area of the road stays the same, speed stays the same, car the same etc etc... what changes? Driver input. It's obvious. And anyone denying it is either doing so for the sake of it or really is thick. Watch police chase shows and they mention a lot of the time its not the speed just the skills of the driver. Go on an advanced driving course and they will tell you that too.
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This should be fun.
On the advanced driving course that you attended, were you absent on the day that they covered the importance of total concentration at all times (and at all speeds...)?
Were you asleep when the course would have covered the psychology of advanced driving is not so that you can kid yourself that you have turned from a turnip to Jenson Button over night, but to make you more aware of the importance of anticipating events and being a more "professional" driver?
Regarding anybody who isn't doing the same speed as you on the motorway as a crap driver is just about as immature and ignorant an attitude as it is possible to have.
The only thing in your favour is that you have had the guts to admit to your philosophy of driving, whereas many people would say one thing, but do something else. However, on balance, please let us know in advance which motorways you will be using, and at what time, and we can leave you a clear run.
Is that fair enough?
O'h, just one more thing - nobody know for certain why Ayrton Senna crashed, but it was most likely not a driving error. Probably a combination of a number of circumstances coming together on the day, which is what causes most accidents.
What killed him was a steering arm through the brain.
Keep safe.
 
I get that, but what I'm saying is there is no reason that there will be more accidents at 80 than at 70. Also, pretty much everyone travels at slightly over 70 at some point but very few over 80 so if the limit was raised to 80, at least then everyone knows. I think there'd be less accidents if the limit was raised I honestly do.
 
pooroldcodger said:
This should be fun.
On the advanced driving course that you attended, were you absent on the day that they covered the importance of total concentration at all times (and at all speeds...)?
Were you asleep when the course would have covered the psychology of advanced driving is not so that you can kid yourself that you have turned from a turnip to Jenson Button over night, but to make you more aware of the importance of anticipating events and being a more "professional" driver?
Regarding anybody who isn't doing the same speed as you on the motorway as a crap driver is just about as immature and ignorant an attitude as it is possible to have.
The only thing in your favour is that you have had the guts to admit to your philosophy of driving, whereas many people would say one thing, but do something else. However, on balance, please let us know in advance which motorways you will be using, and at what time, and we can leave you a clear run.
Is that fair enough?
O'h, just one more thing - nobody know for certain why Ayrton Senna crashed, but it was most likely not a driving error. Probably a combination of a number of circumstances coming together on the day, which is what causes most accidents.
What killed him was a steering arm through the brain.
Keep safe.
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Well a few different things killed Ayrton to be fair, not just a wishbone to the head.

He clearly knows everything oldcodger, you can't teach him anything new.......
 
rodduz said:
I get that, but what I'm saying is there is no reason that there will be more accidents at 80 than at 70. Also, pretty much everyone travels at slightly over 70 at some point but very few over 80 so if the limit was raised to 80, at least then everyone knows. I think there'd be less accidents if the limit was raised I honestly do.
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How old are you? Since when does "I think x. I honestly do" constitute an actual argument?

If the amount of accidents stays the same, due to the increased speed more people will die. Did that thought not cross your mind?
 
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