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taffie999

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I bought a Fiat Panda 1.2 Dynamic for my wife yesterday, from Fiat Autoplanet in Southampton. I bought it over the phone, which is a bit chancy, but this was a 60 plate 2010 ex demonstrator with 2000 miles covered, bought from a main dealer, so I was fairly laid back about it. Before sealing the deal, I stressed that I was buying over the phone, and could I expect the car to be like new, as expected. I was assured that it was.
On arrival and inspecting the car, I found a small dent in the front wing. I was assured by the salesman that he had not seen it. Impossible to know whether this was true, but either way, the car was clearly not as described. By this point I had been travelling for over five hours by train, having been diverted due to cancellations. I was tired and just wanted to start the long drive hometo Yorkshire. The salesman knew this and suggested that his “dent man” could come in and sort it out. Predictably, this turned out not to be an option as the dent man was not available. In what I thought was a reasonable solution, I suggested splitting the estimated repair cost to me of £90 - £100, so I would accept £45 and have the dent sorted out myself. This was refused. I asked to speak to the manager, who also refused. They kept harping on about the deal I had been given. In my view, this was irrelevant, the car was not as described. I was offered the opportunity to walk away but given the circumstances, they both knew that this was not a realistic option for me. They would only offer the £20 they said the repair would cost them to have done. By this point I was pretty exhausted and accepted. It left a bitter taste in what should have been a pleasant buying experience. I have bought many cars for both myself and my wife over the past thirty years and, frankly, it was a shock to get this response from a main dealer. It was never about the mone, but about putting right a misdescription, whether knowingly or not. Even when I asked for a printout of the HPI report, it was like extracting teeth, because “it costs us £5 for these”. This seems unlikely because a thirty second internet search shows that as a private customer, I can get three checks for £9.99. This statement probably held as much truth as the figure the salesman showed me as “that which the car owed them”
My advice is to avoid like the plague. If you must and I mean must use them, go through the transaction as if you are dealing with a back street, fly by night operation because that is how they conduct business. They are clearly far more interested in extracting every penny out of every transaction than in having satisfied customers. The salespeople are slick, but not customer focused by any stretch of the imagination and would probably take some pride in that description. Such is their mindset. I cannot even imagine what it would be like to go back there with a problem. I say this because I have dealt with some very good dealers over the years who take the long view and value their reputation. This was like turning the clock back twenty years to the bad old days. At least Arthur Daley was likeable.
First fiat by the way, and she loves it
 
Re: bad dealer experience autoplanet

Buddy i know what you mean! I bought a 08 sporting from them 2 weeks ago for £6195. Firstly most i've ever spent on a car as i'm used to driving what id class as regular motors ie. my last car was a 52 plate astra. Anyway found it on their website and discovered it was a 100 miles away on another site. Made a point of test driving a similiar model and was impressed so purchased the car.
They got the car down to southampton and informed me it needed 2 new alloys which they would sort out when doing their 70 point check and service.
On the day of pickup the guy i had been dealing with was not there so i got some young monkey called mike i think. I noticed a piece of trim on the left hand side was scuffed to pieces so i complained and was told 'what do you expect its second hand' i also noticed the car had 4 different tyres on the car he mentioned they had fitted 2 with the new alloys but they were also different and not even on the same axle. Also he argued that this is perfectly legal and roadworthy. Anyway we agreed i would pay the £15 for the trim and they would fit it for free. He gave me the keys and sent me on my merry way - WHAT no tour of the car no tell me what all the bells and whistles do? I was dumfounded but glad to have a decent motor. Same day i got the car the glove box handle broke off and i noticed they had not stamped the service book due to them supposedly doing an oil and filter change on every used car.
So phoned them up and spoke to the monkey again who booked the car in for 2 days later at 10 am. 2 days later i go down there only to find the car wasn't even booked in and the parts had not been ordered! Yes i did get an apology but bit late when i had braved the snow and ice to get there. I did however get my book stamped for the trouble and the car was booked in again.
In between then and the car going in i also discovered the locking filler cap did not work and the boot light didn't come on so i phoned them up and got the faults added to the list. Few days later took the car back the trim was fitted and was informed i would need a new filler cap and boot catch. Obviously there would be no charge to me but i would have to ook the car in again! Was quite pleased they didn't ask me for the £15 for the trim but annoyed i would have to go back again.
That night on my wife returning from work she informed me that none of the internal lights worked now and the next day i discovered that on diagnosing the boot catch fault they had blown the internal lights fuse. Cue a trip to halfords and a tricky fuse replacement as its buried behind the USB socket in the glovebox.
Anyway after a total of 4 trips to the garage in 2 weeks all faults are sorted now and i'm loving the car but my point is i'm not happy with the handover, i had 1 wasted journey and 4 trips total for a car that supposedly went through a 70 point check and i still had faults with the car. I do love the car and will stick with fiat in the future but wont be buying from that garage again.
I will make a point of emailing them a complaint, never know i might get a set of car mats if i'm lucky!!!!!!
 
Re: bad dealer experience autoplanet

Write to the MD and Fiat UK.

I live in Southampton and was not aware of these guys so they are probably new(ish) to town and Fiat are probably keeping a close eye on them. Good time to complain about customer service.

Finally their website talks/boasts about customer care, satisfaction, life long etc.

See http://www.autoplanet.co.uk/about-us.asp
 
Re: bad dealer experience autoplanet

taffie999, welcome to the forum:)

I think the dealer should of offered 50% of repair even if to just have a happy customer however the profit on something like a panda is a few hundred pounds so I suppose it was eating into their profit (if any) ...still she likes it & thats all that matters;)
 
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I'm tempted to pay these guys a visit.

I HATE IT when dealers, salesmen/women, technicians, management etc. at franchised dealers let the brand name down. Yes they are all on stupid targets, which in some cases are Fiat UK driven and sometimes unrealistic, but that does not stop the dealerships pushing back against Fiat and demanding sensible business objectives whilst ensuring both their reputation, that of Fiat UK and above all customer satisfaction in maintained and ENHANCED!

Enhanced YES. Stand still in this game and you are a dead duck within 6 to 12 monts of trading.

This company in question now has two very unsatisfied customers which Fiat UK need to be strong made aware of.

And if Fiat UK won't give you satisfaction then you know what to do!
 
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Re: bad dealer experience autoplanet

I HATE IT when dealers, salesmen/women, technicians, management etc. at franchised dealers let the brand name down. Yes they are all on stupid targets, which in some cases are Fiat UK driven and sometimes unrealistic, but that does not stop the dealerships pushing back against Fiat and demanding sensible business objectives whilst ensuring both their reputation, that of Fiat UK and above all customer satisfaction in maintained and ENHANCED!

What Fiat UK targets? Maybe it's Fiat UK letting the dealerships down?

To be honest (and no disrespect to OP) but I would never buy a car without seeing it no matter how far away it was, maybe the salesman didn't genuinally see the dent or it was done after the prep and before customer arrived....who knows?
 
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Why has the title of my thread been changed to remove the name of the offending dealer? I have never had a post edited for me before and I don't appreciate it.. The whole idea of my posting was to warn others about this dealership. Anyone carrying out a search would have found it much easier when it was in the title
 
as far as i'm aware autoplanet are not a fiat main dealer they are just like any other large car sales full of slimey gob****e salesman and they couldn't give a **** about the customer. they may sell new fiats but they aren't connected to fiat uk. unless things have changed recently. they've always been a bit dodgy.
 
How is it possible that you can sell new vehicles and not be an official dealer? :confused: Does being a main dealer mean you exclusively sell fiats as opposed to these car co-ops you get these days?
 
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Waters AutoPlanet is one of the largest and fastest growing independently owned automotive retail groups in the south of England, with new car franchises for Fiat, Kia, Mazda, Peugeot, Renault, and SEAT along with three used car superstores.
i would assume it works with them buying new cars on mass with a discount for buying en-mass then selling them on for real retail prices. thats what i think anyway.
 
How is it possible that you can sell new vehicles and not be an official dealer? :confused: Does being a main dealer mean you exclusively sell fiats as opposed to these car co-ops you get these days?

You will find that they are not really new, but pre-reg vehicles. These are vehicles with all but a few miles on the clock that have been registered by Fiat UK to meet their quotas and then passed on either through the dealerships or the auction houses.

They will still have balance of UK warranty etc.

Re the comment from the salesman who said "well it's second hand what do you expect?". You should have just decked the stupid little t*ss*r there and then (or when there were no witnesses anyway).
 
Believe me the thought had crossed my mind but obviously i was keen to get in the motor. The faults have been corrected now but Fiat U.K have had a lengthy email and if i could figure out how to get the MD of Autoplanet's email address he will get one, for the moment they just have one of these contact systems and i'm getting calls everyday from them trying to stop my customer complaint which i'm ignoring!
 
Fiat dont register cars, warranty starts from when the dealership registers the car.

Err. the first registered owner of my Croma is Fiat UK (not a dealer). You saying that they sell it to a dealer and buy it back as a registered car?

Who registers all the Fiat Management cars and press cars?

I have worked in the trade, and all consessionaires register their own cars and then sell then to dealers (or anyone who will take them) when things get tough (I have seen them in the auctions enough times).
 
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The problem is the Seller really doesnt care about the repeat business at all when some one is travelling from Yorkshire, they wouldnt even get the warranty work out of it. The supermarket style places have no interest in the cars they are selling and if you are asking them to fix the car they generally have no idea.

The price must have been good to pay for a train ticket down to there but would you have been happier giving someone like Picadilly in Knareborough an extra £3-500 and having a more personal service.
I mention Picadilly as I have had reasonable service from all their branches before and they trade on being a local business.
 
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