Just make sure they don't report it to the insurance as your fault!

From the sounds of it people your way don't believe in replacing tires before they fail an mot..jesus.

Then again Zafira and Van..usually not the transport of someone who gives a **** about maintenance.

StevenRB45 said:

Just make sure they don't report it to the insurance as your fault!

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Not involved, just a witness. They had their collision all on their own.

portland_bill said:

Not involved, just a witness. They had their collision all on their own.

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What happened and what people say can be entirely different things. Not being funny but I worked in insurance for 5 years and the 2 sides of an accident tend not to be on the same planet never mind the same place.

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What happened and what people say can be entirely different things. Not being funny but I worked in insurance for 5 years and the 2 sides of an accident tend not to be on the same planet never mind the same place.

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I think however in this case it's going to be very difficult to blame portland_bill for anything. Yes officer please look at my car and tell me how I made this other person crash without any damage at all to my own car..... while driving in front of him.

You'd be amazed at problems people who've apparently never occupied the same county can cause each other.

Even if it's utter ******** it takes time to find that out.

Won't insurance turn around and tell them that it's their job to drive with a large enough distance to ensure they don't hit anything ahead of them?

Because they were following so close, they could not see the puddles until they were about to hit them. My road position was a clue, as I moved out to the centre line to avoid them, but that was too subtle for his two brain cells. He managed to swerve around many, a violent swerve each time, with corresponding angry face from his wife, but still did not change his behaviour. But when faced with oncoming traffic, he had nowhere to go but into the puddle. Despite several difficult control issues, he still learnt nothing, stayed at same speed and distance. If I'd been really mean, I could have increased my speed to the limit, still avoiding the puddles, and he would have crashed earlier! I slowed more a few times, where overtakes were possible, and with no puddles on the other side, so also safe for him, but he was incapable of making an overtake. Last option, I suppose would have been to stop and let him pass, but then he would have crashed ahead of me,possibly blocking the road and delaying my journey. So I looked after me.
I doubt any insurance company would pursue me as my statement of events will contain lots of detail about his behaviour, whereas his will contain a few grunts and some abuse!

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Because they were following so close, they could not see the puddles until they were about to hit them. My road position was a clue, as I moved out to the centre line to avoid them, but that was too subtle for his two brain cells. He managed to swerve around many, a violent swerve each time, with corresponding angry face from his wife, but still did not change his behaviour. But when faced with oncoming traffic, he had nowhere to go but into the puddle. Despite several difficult control issues, he still learnt nothing, stayed at same speed and distance. If I'd been really mean, I could have increased my speed to the limit, still avoiding the puddles, and he would have crashed earlier! I slowed more a few times, where overtakes were possible, and with no puddles on the other side, so also safe for him, but he was incapable of making an overtake. Last option, I suppose would have been to stop and let him pass, but then he would have crashed ahead of me,possibly blocking the road and delaying my journey. So I looked after me.
I doubt any insurance company would pursue me as my statement of events will contain lots of detail about his behaviour, whereas his will contain a few grunts and some abuse!

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Clearly your fault. You shouldn't be driving an opaque car when, for a mere £200 more, you could've had a transparent one.

It's not as if your car can't be seen ! ! Especially in wet weather, cresting the waves ! ��

StevenRB45 said:

You'd be amazed at problems people who've apparently never occupied the same county can cause each other.

Even if it's utter ******** it takes time to find that out.

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It's unbelievable some of the crap that spews from some peoples mouths, and some still believe their own lies even when told that dash camera footage says otherwise.

Drivers who won’t cross the stop line on a green to turn right. We have a junction just down the road from work with traffic lights. There is straight on traffic and a dedicated left turn lane coming the other way. There is a right turn arrow for our direction but it only activates if you cross the stop line (sensor loop in road). It’s not a box (yellow hatched) junction, but some people just won’t cross the line so we don’t get a turn arrow. Many just go on the amber “I’m alright jack”, but yesterday one sat through 3 light cycles and only went when there was a gap in the traffic. Additionally the unfettered leftturn traffic from the other direction then backs up from the next set of lights and blocks you anyway.
Robert G8RPI.

They should have put the sensor further back.
We have a four lane main road with a single green light for the two lanes of incoming traffic and two lanes coming at you. Now, there is a forked right turn onto a similarly main road, but when the light goes green there is no secondary green right turn arrow to tell the people in the right lane, which is for both straight on and right, that the oncoming cars are stopped and they can go.
Okay, locals know, but I can well understand why strangers hesitate since they assume that with a green light for them there is a similarly green light for the two lanes coming.

Ulpian said:

They should have put the sensor further back.
We have a four lane main road with a single green light for the two lanes of incoming traffic and two lanes coming at you. Now, there is a forked right turn onto a similarly main road, but when the light goes green there is no secondary green right turn arrow to tell the people in the right lane, which is for both straight on and right, that the oncoming cars are stopped and they can go.
Okay, locals know, but I can well understand why strangers hesitate since they assume that with a green light for them there is a similarly green light for the two lanes coming.

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Agreed. Every so often I come across a hard to read junction with a rh turn like that myself. Being somewhat more confident I tend to assume, if in doubt, that I should obviously position to wait for a gap in the oncoming traffic which in this case put put me over the sensor as a bonus. But if the right arrow light were visible and off I can well understand deciding to wait at the line.

Driving 14 foot of invisible Mazda today apparently..

I did go for the low visibility pearlescent white colour option..

Having said that I literally watched her roll towards the hold line at a junction and from the moment she appeared from behind a wall to the moment she rolled out into the road at 4mph to about 10 seconds later when I finally gave up on pressing the horn she didn't look in my direction once..or check her mirrors to see why there was a loud horn noise following her down the road. But no totally oblivious.

werdna said:

It's not as if your car can't be seen ! ! Especially in wet weather, cresting the waves ! ��

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g8rpi said:

There is a right turn arrow for our direction but it only activates if you cross the stop line (sensor loop in road).
... yesterday one sat through 3 light cycles and only went when there was a gap in the traffic. Additionally the unfettered leftturn traffic from the other direction then backs up from the next set of lights and blocks you anyway.
Robert G8RPI.

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Ulpian said:

They should have put the sensor further back.

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A green spot means you may go in all permissible directions. But also indicates that there may be conflicts with opposing traffic.
The green filter arrow means you may go in that direction, if it is safe, and that there should be no conflicts. Although always a good idea to keep an eye out for others jumping their lights.

The green spot comes on, but to trigger the filter needs waiting traffic. Then the opposing traffic will get its red, and there will be a short time for your side to clear on the filter. As you say, this will only trigger if the sensor sees the waiting vehicle. There will be other sensors before the stop line, triggering the general green, so it won't work with the 'filter' sensor being placed before the lights.

It does need people to advance if they need to turn right. Perhaps lobby your local traffic office at the council for a notice. "Right turning traffic must advance on green and wait until clear" Or something similar.

Next time, sit a car length back from them at the red. If they advance, go with them if safe. If they don't, keep on the clutch bite point, and when they look in their mirror, jump forward, halving the gap. If they don't move, do it again, halving the gap again. Gentle bullying, but it will trigger their sub-concious and they may move without really thinking about it.

If that doesn't work, parp the horn and wave them forward. Or just cry in desperation as they look back.

Ulpian said:

They should have put the sensor further back.
We have a four lane main road with a single green light for the two lanes of incoming traffic and two lanes coming at you. Now, there is a forked right turn onto a similarly main road, but when the light goes green there is no secondary green right turn arrow to tell the people in the right lane, which is for both straight on and right, that the oncoming cars are stopped and they can go.
Okay, locals know, but I can well understand why strangers hesitate since they assume that with a green light for them there is a similarly green light for the two lanes coming.

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I actually spoke to a highways engineer a few years ago when the sensor loop failed and he confirmed that the operation and loop position (you can see it in the road, it's completely over the line in the junction.) are as designed. It's narrow in "my" direction with a bus lane so a loop on other side of the line would detect cars going straight on who run wide if no-one is waiting to turn.

A customer walks in at 8.58 (We close at 9.00). So after some waiting for her, at around 9.05 we asked her to bring her stuff to the till because we closed at 9.00. All going well, the then digs into us being snotty and offended that we asked. We just said look we aren't insured for the public for much longer than after 9.. Yet she was keen to leave before we told her we'd get the supervisor. Feel bad about it, but at the same time, were we wrong to ask her to go?!

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A customer walks in at 8.58 (We close at 9.00). So after some waiting for her, at around 9.05 we asked her to bring her stuff to the till because we closed at 9.00. All going well, the then digs into us being snotty and offended that we asked. We just said look we aren't insured for the public for much longer than after 9.. Yet she was keen to leave before we told her we'd get the supervisor. Feel bad about it, but at the same time, were we wrong to ask her to go?!

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Throw her out! Tell her you all have homes to go to.

There will always be people who arrive just before closing, thinking that once in, they can take their time. Start turning lights off! That gets their attention. Or chase her with a mop and bucket, or a broom.

portland_bill said:

Throw her out! Tell her you all have homes to go to.

There will always be people who arrive just before closing, thinking that once in, they can take their time. Start turning lights off! That gets their attention. Or chase her with a mop and bucket, or a broom.

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That's it! I think she saw that we were both young and was insulted that we even had the authority to ask her. We saw her get in the car and go... white old as dirt A4... We joked that her husband let her drive 'the big car' and she's been mrs. Entitled to complain all day lol