Is £600 for genuine brand new set of 4 Abarth white alloy wheels and 205/40 ZR17 84W Michelin tyres a fair price? How much harsher would the ride be compared to standard 16 inch ones? Advice appreciated...
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Seems a good price ,as for the ride would be harsher imho ,but lets see what others think.
I'd have thought the tyres alone would cost close to that, if bought new:
http://shop.atseuromaster.co.uk/esh...helin/pilot-sport-ps3/205-40-17-84-W-1-2MD86V
My ones had new p zero nero tyres.
Mel, I changed the 17" petals on mine to 16" just to make the ride a litle less harsh. However, as the AGP is a bigger/heavier car I imagine the ride quality would be affected less than on the 500.
If you plan on keeping the smaller wheels/tyres you could either get them fitted with winter tyres and/or use as a full size spare if you get a jack and wheelbrace as well. Useful to carry if doing any long journeys even without the jack etc as the AA man will fit for you if you got a puncture.
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Are these wheels for your white Grand Punto Abarth ?
If so - the standard wheels are 215/45 x 17 and IIRC the PCB is 4x100. Those alloys you have referred to sound like wheels from the A500 which have a PCB of 4x98 which may not fit. You can get PCB 4x100 wheels to fit the hub of a 4x98 hub with wobble bolts - I am not too sure if you can do it the 'other way around'.
Also depending on which particular model of Michelin tyre it has IMHO there are a better tyre than the Pirelli Pzero. The Michelin are fitted as standard on the Esseesse wheel and grip better and would be viewed to be a top premium tyre. In the GPA esseesse they would normally be 18 inch in size.
I meant to say this earlier today. Michael is completely correct. 500 wheels won't fit on a GPA
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Thank you all (especially Michael) on detailed analysis. I wasn't sure exactly for which Abarth (500 or Punto) the wheels were for as only had the info I gave. That sorts the matter then and just in time to stop a huge fight with hubby about storing them! Now I have another year to work on him for the winter alloys. Its a war of contrition!
Now I have another year to work on him for the winter alloys. Its a war of contrition!
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Sorry for the bump, but found a good set of steelies not too far from me. I'm quite sure it will fit my Punto Abarth, but there is some wheel-speak which sounds like gobbledygook to me (spigots and centre bores...) I need someone with the knowledge (Maxi, Grimwau or Michael spring to mind) to tell me if it will fit. Before you ask, I did try the search but not quite sure what I'm searching for
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Four-16-i...Grande+Punto&hash=item45feff9f7a#ht_500wt_922
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Four-16-i...Grande+Punto&hash=item45feff9f7a#ht_500wt_922
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Sorry for the bump, but found a good set of steelies not too far from me. I'm quite sure it will fit my Punto Abarth, but there is some wheel-speak which sounds like gobbledygook to me (spigots and centre bores...) I need someone with the knowledge (Maxi, Grimwau or Michael spring to mind) to tell me if it will fit. Before you ask, I did try the search but not quite sure what I'm searching for
Many thanks
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Four-16-inch-steel-wheels-Renault-Megane-Clio-Vauxhall-Corsa-Fiat-Grande-Punto-/300630908794?pt=UK_CarParts_Acc_Wheels_tyres_Trims_Car_Rims_ET&fits=Car+Make%3AFiat%7CModel%3AGrande+Punto&hash=item45feff9f7a#ht_500wt_922
You will require the spigot rings that the seller mentions in the advert, as the centre bore on the GP is 56.6mm (see here: https://www.fiatforum.com/grande-punto-faqs/125361-pcd-cener-hole-bore.html)
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Sorry for the bump, but found a good set of steelies not too far from me. I'm quite sure it will fit my Punto Abarth, but there is some wheel-speak which sounds like gobbledygook to me (spigots and centre bores...) I need someone with the knowledge (Maxi, Grimwau or Michael spring to mind) to tell me if it will fit. Before you ask, I did try the search but not quite sure what I'm searching for
Many thanks
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Four-16-inch-steel-wheels-Renault-Megane-Clio-Vauxhall-Corsa-Fiat-Grande-Punto-/300630908794?pt=UK_CarParts_Acc_Wheels_tyres_Trims_Car_Rims_ET&fits=Car+Make%3AFiat%7CModel%3AGrande+Punto&hash=item45feff9f7a#ht_500wt_922
I had planned to buy a set for the OH in 16inch. The Mito needs an offset of E39 but uses a different PCB of 4x98. The Mito is supposedly a GP in drag but it uses different hubs.
Looking at the those wheels I don't know anything about spigot rings but it does say that he has them on his GP so with his spigot rings it should fit.
I did look ay mytyres.co.uk and for the full wheel option it does not list the Abarth models and on the lesser powered models it lists 15 inch.
Reckon the smallest that the GP Abarth will take is 16 inch thinking of the size of the brakes.
Can you look at the handbook and see what offset it suggests on the 16 inch. The offset on these wheels might be too much at E49.
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Thanks Michael. I've checked the manual and it does not mention 16inch wheels at all! It only mentions 17s (215/45 R17 91Y - with ET39 and 205/45 R17 88V - with ET36) I guess that means it will not take 16s... Still in dark tho... This winter tyre business is downright complicated! I might just leave it for next year...
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Thanks Michael. I've checked the manual and it does not mention 16inch wheels at all! It only mentions 17s (215/45 R17 91Y - with ET39 and 205/45 R17 88V - with ET36) I guess that means it will not take 16s... Still in dark tho... This winter tyre business is downright complicated! I might just leave it for next year...
On the A500 manual it does not list the 15inchs as an option (Click here) only specifying 16s but the 15s definitely fit. If you opt for snow chains on the 16s you have to use a narrower 7mm chain link. In the 15s on the A500 steelies are preferable because with the alloys the weights slightly rub off the calipers.
If you go for steelies on your GPA in 16inch which are not in the manual then according to my insurance guys here in the Emerald they will allow where it is not in the 'manual' a smaller wheel if it is recommended by a 'Tyre Expert'. I still haven't figured who would qualify but Kwik fit surprisingly was suggested by a poster on the Winter thread.
Re the offsets in a wheel rim if one has e.g. an offset of E35 it can be 'pushed out' to E40 with a spacer but if as the case of the ebayer has a E49 offset I did not think it is possible to 'pull it back'. Also if you were to fit chains on with this E49 offset it will more than likely rub off the wheel arch. Hopefully someone will correct me on this if I'm wrong.
A justification that you would have in going for 16s is that there is a very limited selection of tyres in 17s and they are expensive. Plus 16s (I cannot see why they wouldn't fit) are a little easier to get winter tyres for and should be much cheaper. Plus you could 'argue' that chains wouldn't fit on the 17s.
Even if you wait until 2012/2013 winter for winter tyres it would still be worthwhile getting to the bottom of what steelie spec will work correctly on the GPA. You could send a letter off to the insurance guys to see if they will accept the cheaper 16inch wheel size.
How about posting a question on Maxi's winter thread where it might get a few more hits.
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My OH's mito runs 215/45 x 17 the same as the GPA and the recommended winter tyre for it is 195/55 x 16. Assuming that the 16s will fit the GPA and you can get the insurance guys to accept this non standard tyre the 'saving' looking at lovetyres.co.uk is £138 (Conti) verus £92 (Ultragrip) per tyre (without rim) - these are on 'backorder'. So you will save nearly £200 with the 'smaller' tyre choice if you can get them.
http://lovetyres.com/tyre/Goodyear-UltraGrip-8/195-55-16
http://lovetyres.com/tyre/Continental-Winter-Contact-TS810/195-55-16
http://lovetyres.com/search/tyres/205-45-17/season/Winter
To work out the offset on the GPA here is a guide from Dave as a last resort...
https://www.fiatforum.com/miscellaneous-guides/50703-working-out-offset-wheels.html?p=590741
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Michael, thanks - you are again the fountain of knowledge... I'll look into specs closer (even ask Kwikfit if I must) or the local tyre garage. The quest goes on...
) or the local tyre garage. The quest goes on...
Just Make sure the 16" steelies will fit the Abarth, i know that the 15" steelies will not clear the brake callipers on the standard GP sportings.......
Also does the GPA handbook list a winter tyre spec if you go outside that you will have to jump through hoops with the insurance company
Also does the GPA handbook list a winter tyre spec if you go outside that you will have to jump through hoops with the insurance company
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Thanks for that. Honestly, the handbook does not say much (apart from listing the two types of 17" that I've already mentioned). Its not like I can't RTFM! I'll call dealers later today to see weather anyone knows anything (and how likely is that!)
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Surprised to see that on the Grand Punto Sporting that 15s don't fit.
Looking at the brake disc sizes of the GP Sporting they are the same size as the A500 and 15s do fit but they are very tight. Picture attached courtesy of jonl of the other abarth forum. But there's probably other differences which I would not be aware of so I would have to believe you.
Since the Grand Punto Abarth has brake disc sizes of 305 compared with 284 of its smaller brother the difference of 21 should be easily handled by an extra inch so I can't see why 16s will not fit.
In relation to 'jumping through hoops' surely the narrow width tyre will be a better performer in the snow and should not be too hard to justify. For a £200 difference in price it might be worth the effort.
Maybe someone with an account could post on your behalf.
GP Sporting
http://www.gazzellaracing.com/product.php?productid=19290&cat=2207&page=1
EBC Premium Replacement Front Brake Discs 284x22mm (Pair)
A500
http://www.gazzellaracing.com/product.php?productid=18941&cat=2271&page=1
EBC Turbo Groove 3GD Performance Front Discs 284x22mm (Pair)
GP Abarth
http://www.gazzellaracing.com/product.php?productid=19282&cat=2192&page=1
EBC Premium Replacement Front Brake Discs 305x28mm (Pair)
http://www.abarthforum.co.uk/500-abarth/winter-tyres/msg104836/#msg104836
http://www.abarthforum.co.uk/500-abarth-tuning/anyone-tried-fitting-smaller-wheels/msg148168/#msg148168
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