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[PuntoHowTo]

Why are you assuming everyone is giving "advice". That's the job for the authorities.


Locking down discussion so that only the "correct" things can be said leads to groupthink and with far more serious consequences.

Alternative ideas should be welcomed. It does not mean they are good, bad or otherwise. But if nobody brain-storms anything the world stops and we all suffer far more harm.

Just you giving advice, not everyone, and in this instance the “advice” is your ideas about how dangerous the condition is information that is not from official sources but from some blokes YouTube video.

At the moment if everyone starts throwing their ideas into the pan then people are not going to know what’s going on, what’s true and what’s not. Realistically people should be looking to official sources not brain storming ideas on a car forum. “Brain storming” in this instance, where there is no evidence leads to misinformation fear and confusion.

Looking to support anyone with ideas of how they can get through the next 12 weeks perfectly fine but ideas like ‘pox parties’ maybe seen as giving advice, and talking about ‘immune storms’ may just scare the hell out of people. They are not what I would consider “alternative ideas” and not really useful or relevant. Let the experts do the brain storming, and let the evidence tell us about the illness.

 

[PuntoHowTo]

think your self lucky it will only be 2 weeks. little kids who have had transplants and other health issues its 12 weeks or more now to prevent them getting it.

Well said Dave, I have an extremely stubborn parent with very severe heart problems they don’t see what all the fuss is about and want to carry on as normal, yet they are right at the top of the at risk groups.

If things continue to progress like France and germany then I suspect we will be on a more official lock down by the end of next week with movement restrictions in place and potentially being fined for leaving the house, not ideas or theories either this is what is being discussed in the media right now.

 

[jrkitching]

So called "herd immunity" is the only thing that will stop this epidemic

This, I think, was Boris's original plan.

Since then, pretty much everyone in the world who actually knows anything about virology has opposed this plan, in the strongest possible terms. Doing so would likely kill hundreds of thousands in the UK alone. The consensus view now seems to be that "herd immunity" is essentially unachievable without a vaccine; the virus will otherwise likely mutate sufficiently often to keep ahead of the herd. This virus is both highly transmissible, and lethal to a substantial percentage of the population. It is easily the most challenging health issue the world has faced in over a century.

There are no easy answers; no country has any kind of exit strategy yet. My own view is that we need a two pronged approach; a vaccine (and in sufficient quantity to achieve "herd immunity"), and an antiviral to treat those infected, so that they can recover without requiring the kind of supportive care that places major demands on healthcare systems.

What gives me hope is that I'm (reasonably) sure that many of the world's best scientists are, right now, working night & day on both of these.

Until then, I'm one of those who will effectively have to self isolate for the duration.

I'm not expecting a return to normality (and it will be a new normality) anytime soon.

 

[PuntoHowTo]

An actual doctor on YouTube talking about this, someone with some actual qualifications.

https://youtu.be/5CRxyHU9Oxo

 

[sandeel999]

*by*BlueBag Today at 7:29

World coronavirus deaths just reached 10,000 since December according to the BBC.

Meanwhile in the normal world:

Until recently, the World Health Organization (WHO) estimated the annual mortality burden of influenza to be 250 000 to 500 000 all-cause deaths globally; however, a 2017 study indicated a substantially higher mortality burden, at 290 000-650 000 influenza-associated deaths from respiratory causes alone, and a 2019 study estimated 99 000-200 000 deaths from lower respiratory tract infections directly caused by influenza. Here we revisit global and regional estimates of influenza mortality burden and explore mortality trends over time and geography.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6815659/

In any given year - uo to 850,000 worldwide deaths from flu.

 

[StevenRB45]

At this point numbers wise you're about 20x more likely to kill yourself than be killed by Covid19.

I'm more worried about falling down the stairs or having a car crash or any of the other things we risk day to day without thought and having to wait 10 hours for an ambulance to arrive at a full hospital than anything to do with Covid19.

Not that I'm actually that worried tbh..no point in worrying do what you can the rest is out of your hands.

 

[varesecrazy]

Smile.

Leaving work..South of Oxford..@5 miles from the Mini plant

I glanced over to a BP forecourt..
Weird looking vehicle
Turns out it was a 'test mule'
Aston Martin..Welsh built.. logos told me that

Rear doors had LARGE Pirelli stickers..

I was so impressed..
I went straight home and put a 'new' Pirelli on a Grande Punto

Its actually a full size spare..
1st time on tarmac- in 12years

 

[StevenRB45]

Was out on one of my occasional baby sleep encouraging drives this evening.

Wasn't pressing on driving with cruise set at 40 in a 40 when an old 1.1 Panda overtakes me and the car behind on the hatchings on the way into roundabout..screaming with the effort of the overtake but doing about 50 bless it.

See him in the mirror, got a baby asleep in the back, ambulance service and police are stretched to breaking point, now is not the time to get involved in someone elses accident so just let him in before we get to the roundabout.

On arriving at the roundabout he realises he's going a bit quick and every single light on the rear of the car lights up (ah earth fault wonder if he'll be on here shortly). He then tips it in...and discovers that braking down to about 40 it's a bit tight for a set of 155 budget tyres on a car where the suspension has clearly better days and it nearly lifts a wheel off.

He escapes and is off onto the next section of road which is a national limit..and unfortunately for him a long rather steep uphill where upon he finds both cars he's just overtaken go past him legally as he's stuck in the crawler lane flat out at 45ish.

 

[rmjbn1]

Haha! That's just how I like to drive my slow cars!

If you know there's a big hill coming up, you've got to take that roundabout flat out on the racing line:slayer:

That's why driving a slow car fast is far more entertaining than driving a fast car slow

OK that 1.1 driver has a bit to learn... you have to leave quickly, not arrive quickly They've got a couple of things the wrong way round. I've never seen the point in speeding in a restricted zone.

 

[dave]

If things continue to progress like France and germany then I suspect we will be on a more official lock down by the end of next week with movement restrictions in place and potentially being fined for leaving the house, not ideas or theories either this is what is being discussed in the media right now.

All the army in colchester are being briefed on action, not sure i believe the media when they say the army are just going to be used to deliver vulnerable peoples shopping.
all the arcades in clacton are still open, they are dirty places at the best of times. frequented by the great unwashed

 

[dave]

Well said Dave, I have an extremely stubborn parent with very severe heart problems they don’t see what all the fuss is about and want to carry on as normal, yet they are right at the top of the at risk groups.

i have a friend 76 with 1 and a bit lung has has to have a machine to make sure he still breaths at night, he was still out last weekend but glad to say when i called him yesterday he is now now isolating. its going to drive him bonkers though as even at 76 he still works.

my nephew has a 4 year old daughter who had liver transplant in first months of her life, so they are in for min 3 months too.

 

[portland_bill]

... now is not the time to get involved in someone elses accident so just let him in before we get to the roundabout.

On arriving at the roundabout he realises he's going a bit quick and every single light on the rear of the car lights up (ah earth fault wonder if he'll be on here shortly). He then tips it in...and discovers that braking down to about 40 it's a bit tight for a set of 155 budget tyres on a car where the suspension has clearly better days and it nearly lifts a wheel off.

He escapes ...

Reminds me of an incident one Sunday morning, 1989 I think. Just returned a hire van, and was trundling around Oxford's ring road towards home, rain lashing down, roads very wet and little grip.
I'm slowing towards a roundabout, (Rose Hill for those that know it), slight downhill, when a Mk2 Cavalier arrives over the brow behind, overhauling me very quickly. (Dual carriageway)
I'm about 50 yards from the roundabout as it passed me, still no brake lights. Around two car lengths from the roundabout, the brake lights come on. No chance. Straight on, through the large chevron sign and up onto the island. Gouged a big lump out of the earth, like a JCB had done it.

I was already parking on the verge, before they hit the island.

Luckily all three students were unscathed. Driver was 'looking after' her brother's car while he was away, oops! Front lower panel pushed well under, radiator horizontal, front wheels no longer a team. Pointed them towards a phone box, about 300 yards away, not a coat between them.

 

[varesecrazy]

Oxford driving standards havent improved much..

Its just that other places have become 'less excellent'

 

[s130]

Wife looked on Google Maps at the traffic around our local Siansburys (biggest in UK I believe) and all the red of the last couple+ days was all but gone. Smile 1.

With just over 30 mins left she ventured out and did not reappear for over half an hour. Smile 2 time to myself.

SMILE 3 on BOTH our faces she returned with just about everything we needed especially the fresh veg and milk.

You can't believe (well I guess you can) what a HUGE relief and de-stress this has proved to be.

So well done Sainsburys and for those who have shopped sensibly THANK YOU.

PLEASE LONG MAY THIS LAST!

 

[varesecrazy]

We are fortunate to have an Aldi at the end of the road..
A walk over there @20:15
And return with 95% of requirements by 20:35

The 'Superstores' have been stripped bare

And if your freezer at home dies.. there is a 'waiting list'...

 

[PuntoHowTo]

My wife phoned a local company earlier today to order an “apocalypse survival box” and hour later delivered to our door a large box of fresh veg, bread, eggs, chocolate, pasta, tea bags everything you could need. Saved having to brave the madness of the shops at the moment.

 

[s130]

What I'm hoping is that, due to efforts of distribution chains, etc. that people realise that there is no fundamental shortage of anything. We all eat what we eat & consume on a normal basis and for those that are panic buying they will actually find and realise that there is no need to and nothing has changed to their shopping needs of 3 months ago.

 

[PuntoHowTo]

What I'm hoping is that, due to efforts of distribution chains, etc. that people realise that there is no fundamental shortage of anything.

I watched a thing the other day talking about the production of toilet paper, basically the factories have been fully automated for years and they produce the exact same amount day in day out, year in year out, because unless there is a drastic change in the population people don’t tend to wipe their arses anymore or any less. So as a consequence even with all the panic buying there is no actual need to increase production as people will still use the same amount of loo roll, then now just go a long period without buying more while they use up what they have.

 

[s130]

I remember Paddy Ashdown was once interiewed about his life in the Royal Marines etc. and not sure why but the subject toiletries and toilet paper came around. He replied they were guided/instructed .....

One sheet up, one down and one to polish!

Some bright spark may be able to find it on UTube.

 

[StevenRB45]

I hope at some point everyone's freezers are so full they can't continue to panic buy.

The issue is compounded by the fact even if you want to shop normally..you can't. Normally I'd just wait till we are down to very little then shop but you can't take the chance the shop will be gutted when you get there.

So even if you're just buying normal amounts of things you end up buying a little more as you don't know when you'll see X in a shop again. My wife works for the Ambulance service I'm working full time still so we got no bloody choice as the only times we get to go are after work at which time most things have gone.

Handily with my son having allergies so far we've found that no one likes to panic buy free from and dairy free alternatives. So plenty of gluten free, bread crumpets and soya milk!