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What's made you not grumpy but not smile either today?

I always rather liked the 18 estate - I remember being surprised to see a Dacia version once before I even knew what Dacia was
I think, in their early days, they did four versions of renault, 4, 12, 17 and 18 and the original duster, which was an R12 looking like a Citroen Mahari/Fiat 600 Jungle mash up, quite liked that and the Matra Rancho
 
I always rather liked the 18 estate - I remember being surprised to see a Dacia version once before I even knew what Dacia was
I had two 21 savannah estates. Very very good. The first was pxd with the dealer giving me a profit.
 
There was a reason that FIAT stood for Fix It Again Tony on this side of the pond. OTOH, one of my good friends had an 850 that she drove from N. Illanoy to S. Illannoy every weekend to see her boyfriend at college. She said she had a better relationship with the 850 after she married the guy then divorced him.
Fix Or Repair Daily was also a popular acronym…there used to be loads but can’t remember any but the Fiat & Ford ones
 
Watched a KIA EV9 review..

"It's surprisingly big inside and nicely put together"

It's over 5m long, shaped like a minibus and costs 76 grand...if it wasn't those things what the hell could it be?

Also 250-270 miles from a 98kwh battery...good job lads if you had a normal sized battery the range would be similar to a gen 1 Nissan Leaf.

State of the art...also the constant binging of driving aids during the review was amusing. I suspect it's impossible not to constantly cross white lines in it due to it's vast bulk so the owner will be slowly driven insane although it may have occured before they signed on the dotted line.
I watched the review of the EV9 with Johnny Smith, the one thing I couldn't get over was the fact it was £76k, for a Kia which when they first came over here they were one of the cheapest cars you could buy at the time, also when he was driving it all the annoying warning buzzers that kept going off, it would get on my nerves, for that sort of money I'd rather get an Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio with the 2.9 V6 & over 500hp which would be a lot of fun 👌
 
I watched the review of the EV9 with Johnny Smith, the one thing I couldn't get over was the fact it was £76k, for a Kia. And also when he was driving it all the annoying warning buzzers that kept going off, it would get on my nerves, for that sort of money I'd rather get an Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio with the 2.9 V6 & over 500hp which would be a lot of fun 👌

Watched the same one...I'm not entirely sure how any of it could be a positive.

Yes it's good and competent but for that money f**k me it should be and in terms of weight/efficiency/footprint it's a ridiculous thing. "It's so practical" it's literally bigger than a transit van and shaped like one as well so I should be able to fit 3 euro pallets in it or carry 9... anything less and you've not used the space well.
 
Watched the same one...I'm not entirely sure how any of it could be a positive.

Yes it's good and competent but for that money f**k me it should be and in terms of weight/efficiency/footprint it's a ridiculous thing. "It's so practical" it's literally bigger than a transit van and shaped like one as well so I should be able to fit 3 euro pallets in it or carry 9... anything less and you've not used the space well.
Your right it should be brilliant for that money, weight was something silly like 2.6 tonne & the steering was apparently really vague as well
 
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Your right it should be brilliant for that money, weight was something silly like 2.6 tonne & the steering was apparently really vague as well
please somebody tell me in what way is any 2.5tonne car good for the environment
 
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please somebody tell me in what way is any 2.5tonne car good for tge environment

This is the main thing I struggle with when it comes to large electric cars.

You could make 2 whole other cars and a Citroën Ami out of that kerb weight so the encapsulated emissions it represents must be at the point of ridiculousness. Also at 2.5kw per mile..it's not particularly efficient either so they payback time for all those emissions will be longer.

The justification tends to be "well X ice car weighs just as much" to which my thought process tends to be "and? Are they known to be environmentally sound? Or usually considered excessive?"
 
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I remember one for Ford" A bit of tin & a bit of board, stick it together you've got a Ford" or


I had a mk 2 focus ghia. Company car. It was incredible when driven totally bonkers and would go aorund roundaboyts at really outrageous speeds, when it did let go it was graceful like a ballet dancer and completely benign. However the paint would not stay on galvanized panels and they eventually gave up and fitted mudflaps all round to stop it being stripped to the metal in a few days, It always felt like if you found the paperclip under the back bumper and pulled it out, that it would all fall apart, Great though it was, I would ahve my Bravo back immediatley in preference. Far nicer to drive, just much more relaxing and so so much quieter and smoother. I stepped out of a brand new Focus into the Bravo and have a good perspective on both.
 
Over here, GM was General Mess. Mopar was More Parts. Fix Or Repair Daily was also Found On Road Dead. AMC was Always More Crap.
Being born and bread in the home of Lotus cars and living about 5 or so miles from the factory where all lotus cars are made..... to add to your list

Lotus = Lots of trouble, usually serious
 
Being born and bread in the home of Lotus cars and living about 5 or so miles from the factory where all lotus cars are made..... to add to your list

Lotus = Lots of trouble, usually serious
During my time with Firestone's racing organization I was seconded to the main factory for a while to provide fitting services and advice on a performance tyre testing program they were running. A number of vehicles were being used but by far the most fun to drive were a Lotus Europa and a Plus 2 Elan. What they didn't like was being run over the "rough stuff" - undulating and pave/cobbles - Bits, started dropping off! I'd have happily walked off with the Europa though if I'd been given half a chance.
 
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