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What's made you not grumpy but not smile either today?

As long as its warm enough to kill Legionella in the water system your good. Sounds like you need to spend some time balancing the radiators and working things out. You need a cold day though! Im pleased you have got a good result from your spending, it makes it worthwhile. If you have no leaks you are doing well. Its worth running it up to full heat now so you can be sure its all good for the winter. Im waiting for my boiler service man who should be round in the next couple of weeks. Its just not quite worth buying the emiossions equipment ofr ten minutes use a year so hes got a job for life. Its a shame really as the bulk of the service os just celaning out and vacuuming the insides out.
A few years ago we were unfortunate enough to suffer a blocked pipe in the boiler recirculation system - our's is a gravity system but with a modern condensing boiler. After he'd cut out the blocked section of pipe and replaced it we had a devil of a job getting the system bled through again and had to close off some of the radiators to boost pressure and get the air pushed round. You've just reminded me I never balanced them again. Last year I did notice the radiator in the hall and one of the bedrooms was not getting fully up to the same temperature as the others. Hoping a rebalance will sort that, fingers crossed it's not a sign that there's still blockage problems!

Regarding servicing of gas appliances. Strikes me it's a bit of a cash cow for some companies? I'm very fortunate with our boiler man, who I think I've mentioned before? Needless to say he's fully Gas Safe registered but has also become a friend over the years. When he does my boiler not only does he remove the front and vacuums out the burner (not strictly necessary he tells me as long as it's burning cleanly) but he also cleans out the condensate trap which seems to accumulate a sort of sandy deposit. Then he checks for leaks and for burner efficiency and charges me "not a lot".

A few years ago we had a "hole in the wall" balanced flue gas fire fitted in the living room. The people who fitted it for us were quite pushy about trying to get us to sign up for an annual maintenance contract but I resisted. I asked our man if he could look after it and he said they don't actually need much maintenance as all they are is a burner, no fans etc, so he could stick his "sniffer" up it's exhaust each year and tell us if it wasn't burning cleanly and do a quick leak check on the roomside of the fire with his sniffer - He doesn't make any additional charge for this.

However last year I noticed the glass front was looking a bit cloudy inside so asked if he'd clean it for us. "A man with your skills could easily do that he said. Tell you what, take the front fascia off while I'm doing your boiler and call me through". This gets the fancy trim out of the way and reveals a rather obvious ring of 8 set screws which hold the glass bezel in place. So I undid them too and the bezel, glass and a thick woven soft seal all comes away very easily. Great he said, now try cleaning the glass with soapy water, which I did but some of the deposits were a bit stubborn so I deployed the Elbow Grease: https://elbowgreasecleans.com/ (if you haven't tried it you don't know what you're missing, honestly, I've cleaned engine blocks with it!) then washed it down with clean water and dried it. Then I took all the ceramic coals out and vacuumed the burner bar - I was surprised how much general cra* there was in there and relocated the coals (which was satisfying as the positioning of some has annoyed me since the fire was fitted) Refitting the glass was the reverse of dismantling but the glass was snugging up very nicely against the woven seal before the screws were even half tightened down, so I called my pal through and asked him if he thought I should tighten them down fully (as they had been) or leave them just nipped up on the seal - I was worried that the glass might break if the screws were fully tightened. He agreed with me but double checked the tightness for himself then fired it up and checked round the seal with his sniffer. Putting the fascia back on was just a couple of minutes work and he got me to fire it up while he finished doing the boiler. Then he nipped outside and stuck the sniffer up it's exhaust and declared all was good. Didn't even charge any extra for the fire checks. so from now on that's what we'll be doing, I'll give the fire it's cleanup while he attends to the boiler then he'll check the fire for combustion and leaks.

I thought I'd just check up on the tightness of those screws with the manufacturer so gave them a ring and was lucky enough to speak to one of their engineers. No, he said, don't tighten them down to the stop, you'll very likely crack the glass! Just nip them up so the seal is decently compressed. When it was installed the senior fitter left the fitting of the glass to his "boy" who used an electric screwdriver to tighten the screws right down as far as they could go. He didn't start the screws in their holes by hand but put them on the end of the screwdriver bit and zipped them in under full power. It was no surprise to me to find one screw cross threaded badly enough I had to run a tap down the hole and clean the screw thread up too and another was slightly "tight". probably the thread "pulled" a wee bit, it came good by winding it in and out a couple of times. Inexperienced fitters shouldn't be let loose with power tools until they are competent!

The point of all that above is to detail what my "proper" boiler man does. I've watched a couple of the neighbours boilers being "serviced" and I doubt if their boilers even had the front's taken off! the man was in and out far to quickly.
 
As long as its warm enough to kill Legionella in the water system your good. Sounds like you need to spend some time balancing the radiators and working things out. You need a cold day though! Im pleased you have got a good result from your spending, it makes it worthwhile. If you have no leaks you are doing well. Its worth running it up to full heat now so you can be sure its all good for the winter. Im waiting for my boiler service man who should be round in the next couple of weeks. Its just not quite worth buying the emiossions equipment ofr ten minutes use a year so hes got a job for life. Its a shame really as the bulk of the service os just celaning out and vacuuming the insides out.

Having been doing some hardcore reading as such I don't think we are particularly high risk for legionnaires.

We got rid of the 2 tanks...(gravity tank in the loft and a hot water cylinder) and have none at all now so tap water will be flash heated in the boiler and water in the radiators isn't exposed to us/the air so there's basically 0 risk.

From what I've read in a combi you can pretty much not bother, if you've got a tanks unless your water use is very low so the same water will sit in the tank for longer periods at 45 degrees ish it's also pretty unlikely in a domestic system. It's more when you've got a large system eg an old hotel with low occupancy so the water just sits. At least there's no guess work in the new system, it tells you on the screen what temperature it is targeting and what it is at for both radiators and hot water as they are separate.

It was run up to full heat when it was put it in, as the fitter was slightly concerned as the pressure from a combi boiler tends to find any weak spots that were previously ok in a gravity system. To the point he gave me his mobile and said "if anything goes pop ring me any time over night and I'll be over". Having run it up during the day nothing "exciting" happened though.

Being a modern system I suspect they are really not earning their money when it comes service it literally came with a filter to clean anything damaging out but this does need cleaned annually. It also has error codes...like a car.. and it folds out rather than needing taking apart for service.

It's all very different to what we had, the thermostat/timer especially is particularly complex device, each day is split into 6 time zones...each zone can be a different temperature and each day can be different to every other day. Thankfully I discovered it also has a copy command so you can copy one day to the rest of the week...

I had to laugh a bit because obviously if you've been searching for things I'm getting related adverts. I'm reliably informed that the average boiler installation is less than 2k and takes a day. Even if you tot up only the visible parts of the new system...they come to more than that in boxes undelivered.

I can only assume that 2k is to fit a cheap boiler in a 10 year old new build given mine took 6 days. Joys of old houses..even the condensate pipe which you'd think "run a pipe to the drain" it has to go via foul water drain, has to be at a certain angle etc etc. To achieve this they've effectively fitted a sump under the boiler which collects the condensate, once full pumps about 2 litres into the roof to then run across the top of the house and into an airgapped end at the guttering downpipe which is into the foul water drain at the bottom.

Got to say I'm hoping the quantity and that it's stored at room temperature will eliminate any freezing possiblity..but the boiler also pre-heats it before expulsion.

But even that the sump/pump is 80 quid..

Hopefully though it's all gone on the value of the house and we'll be toasty warm in winter without needing to send the child up chimneys.
 
If you go check out screw fix you can see what the average boiler costs. £1500 seems to be about average for a combi, something that’s not flashy.

really if they are replacing a boiler that’s already mounted to a wall, say your combi has failed and you need a new combi in its place then that’s probably where the £2k comes in. The plumber might need to fiddle round with the pipes to get the new boiler fitted, but that’s about the extent of the complexity.

you had a back boiler replaced which probably required a lot of changes that another house would never need
 
Oh yes, I'm not whinging about what it cost as such. They also put a fire in as the front room would have looked bloody odd without it.

I'm entirely aware they had to work for it I'd assume your average boiler hang doesn't include going up on the roof or building a wall in the fireplace...or plastering or indeed tiling or installation of an earth spike for the entire house as it was discovered we didn't have one, running a new gas flow, etc etc.

It's just funny to see adverts from boxt for figures and time scales that are nowhere near. Would have been amusing to do a quote via their website and see the blokes face when he turned up.
 
Oh yes, I'm not whinging about what it cost as such. They also put a fire in as the front room would have looked bloody odd without it.

I'm entirely aware they had to work for it I'd assume your average boiler hang doesn't include going up on the roof or building a wall in the fireplace...or plastering or indeed tiling or installation of an earth spike for the entire house as it was discovered we didn't have one, running a new gas flow, etc etc.

It's just funny to see adverts from boxt for figures and time scales that are nowhere near. Would have been amusing to do a quote via their website and see the blokes face when he turned up.
I do find it amusing when friends have had the boiler fail and though clenched teeth, with a sharp inhalation of breath, the dodgy call out boiler person they’ve found, tells them it will be £4k to replace an otherwise standard wall mounted combi boiler, because it’s “4 years old and basically obsolete“ “you can’t get the parts love“ clearly not true and these installers must be rubbing their hands together with idiots like that.
as for your set up, it sounds like they had to do some weird and complex stuff to get it all working, not to mention all those other things you had done.
will probably be interesting to see what your next winter heating bill is like compared to the last year
 
If people are daft enough to pay 4k for a simple boiler hang then that makes me feel better if anything. If I'd cut a few corners re. The fire or the spec of the boiler it would have come in at that it was the original budget but at the same time wanted it done once properly.

They certainly seemed to have an adventure with it, particularly their sparky who turned up for 20 minutes on the Wednesday expecting to run a cable and fit a switch had a quick look around and said "ok, I'm leaving I'll be back tomorrow with lots more gear".

But it is done and under guarantee for 10 years.

The bills indeed will be interesting..may be i'll be going to center parcs for Xmas..
 
Noises outside. Two guys, contractors to Thames Water preparing to dig a hole. That'll explain the placement of the 'No parking' cones on the opposite side of the road yesterday.

All seems good - except for the alignment.
Parking is on the opposite side of the road from me. If they are to dig this side, it makes sense to restrict parking opposite the dig, to allow vehicles to pass, especailly as today is bin day.
Cones are placed opposite Nos. 33-37 (odds)
Van is parked outside no.27, with the hole being dug outside 29/31. Van and fenced dig area are opposite parked vehicles.
Additionally, they've placed warning signs, as expected. As if the large white van is difficult to see. Two signs are placed outside No23. One making it difficult for her to reverse off her drive, the other right behind her car. She will have to move the emptied wheelie bins before going out, so will notice the signs. Otherwise it would have been likely she would reverse over one of them, as it is possible to step out of her house and into the car without seeing it.

Hopefully they're better at digging holes, mending pipes or fitting meters, than traffic management.

As I'm typing this, bin man has had to move a sign to allow the truck to pass, and has replaced it in a better position.
 
Daughters Seat Leon passed its 18th MOT today. Advisories Cracked windscreen, rear brake pads wearing down, oil leak. No suprises there. AM I happy or sad?? Not sure, it needs the exhaust putting on properly and hte 4 door card seals replacing to start with, could do with a new clutch, sump gasket and crank seals repalcing, and new headlights and indicator repeater lights. A new gear knob and gaiter would help too. Its getting to be a BIG pain ITA! The garage man stillm says its been well maintained. I think its been appalingly maintained for the last 12 years! It still goes tho so I shall have to sort a few things when next we meet.

Noop and Ruby are well maintained the two 319's Daffo coming under control is going in tomorrow for complete waxoiling of the front end and a quote for dirt trap caps, either alloy or plastic.
 
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Noises outside. Two guys, contractors to Thames Water preparing to dig a hole. That'll explain the placement of the 'No parking' cones on the opposite side of the road yesterday.

All seems good - except for the alignment.
Parking is on the opposite side of the road from me. If they are to dig this side, it makes sense to restrict parking opposite the dig, to allow vehicles to pass, especailly as today is bin day.
Cones are placed opposite Nos. 33-37 (odds)
Van is parked outside no.27, with the hole being dug outside 29/31. Van and fenced dig area are opposite parked vehicles.
Additionally, they've placed warning signs, as expected. As if the large white van is difficult to see. Two signs are placed outside No23. One making it difficult for her to reverse off her drive, the other right behind her car. She will have to move the emptied wheelie bins before going out, so will notice the signs. Otherwise it would have been likely she would reverse over one of them, as it is possible to step out of her house and into the car without seeing it.

Hopefully they're better at digging holes, mending pipes or fitting meters, than traffic management.

As I'm typing this, bin man has had to move a sign to allow the truck to pass, and has replaced it in a better position.
Still more interesting than anything on Day time TV.
 
Still more interesting than anything on Day time TV.
They dug a hole, then went away. Presumably the work in the hole requires different expertise.
Later a truck arrived, and grabbed the pile of earth and took it away. Why? Won't they need to put it back in later?
Today, one man, with clipboard, hi-vis vest and hard hat, peering into the hole for 10 minutes, then departed.
Why the hard hat? Is the sky falling? A few neighbours out and about, inicluding me, none of us wearing hard hats.
I wonder how long before someone arrives to actually do something in the hole.
 
They dug a hole, then went away. Presumably the work in the hole requires different expertise.
Later a truck arrived, and grabbed the pile of earth and took it away. Why? Won't they need to put it back in later?
Today, one man, with clipboard, hi-vis vest and hard hat, peering into the hole for 10 minutes, then departed.
Why the hard hat? Is the sky falling? A few neighbours out and about, inicluding me, none of us wearing hard hats.
I wonder how long before someone arrives to actually do something in the hole.
Similar thing happened here:
Gang turns up to lay cones and three way temp lights
Another gang comes and marks off portions of road
Two days later, marks ignored and new gang turn up and dig up the whole lane
Work stops and traffic builds
Another two days later a huge machine, and a new gang, crush all the old roadstone and tarmac and take it away
It’s now been like that for five days and nothing has been done
>Hard hats are to be used wehn there’s machinery or your in a hole, it’s kinda common sense IF there’s actually anyone doing anything but, it’s better to apply safeguards all the time on a site rather than leaving it to chance or personal perception<
Back to the road:
Residents and businesses complaining to council and have reported back, three different contractors NOT co-ordinating the works, whole thing should have been done in 7-10 days…folks used to complain wehn local authorities had their own Highways Maintenance, but since massive budget cuts, few do. Leeds CC also has contracts for Kirklees and Bradford, but even they have to contract out due to extensive repairs, but at least they coordinate with other utilities to minimise disruptions
Nearly every ‘incident’ I had to investigate (H&S) were down to contractors!
 
Why the hard hat? Is the sky falling? A few neighbours out and about, inicluding me, none of us wearing hard hats.
I wonder how long before someone arrives to actually do something in the hole.
Health and safety say you must wear a hard hat so you wear it.
It's like needing to wear hi-vis jackets on site when you are the only person there on a locked site and, in some remote areas, maybe no-one else around for 10 - 20 miles.

I find the hats a real pain working on close quarters with equipment, as in climbing under stuff as you end up clattering it off things, less visibility above to the front. It's a toss up between "that would have really hurt" and "would I hit my head if not wearing a hat".
 
Health and safety say you must wear a hard hat so you wear it.
It's like needing to wear hi-vis jackets on site when you are the only person there on a locked site and, in some remote areas, maybe no-one else around for 10 - 20 miles.

I find the hats a real pain working on close quarters with equipment, as in climbing under stuff as you end up clattering it off things, less visibility above to the front. It's a toss up between "that would have really hurt" and "would I hit my head if not wearing a hat".
There’s a good reason for wearing high vis that folk don’t think about but here is a real example…
Friday clock off, everyone leaves site, security notice one name missing and search ensues, two security guards find nothing, log it and continue rounds.
Bloke not reported missing as it’s a construction crew working away from home
Monday morning and body found at bottom of half completed lift shaft…
Coroners report was that, had he been wearing hi-vis, he would have been spotted by torch light and would have survived. They reckon he took at least 24hrs to die. And yes, I was personally involved in that
 
Hard hats are a completely pain for certain works, and, if a scaffold pole hits you from two storeys, it ain’t going to help you much.
Much of H&S application is overzealous due to poor interpretation of the hazard and risk. Many managers and senior managers like to use H&S NOT to do a job, many workers think it’s gone too far, but the right precautions applied sensibly are, without doubt, saving lives every day
 
There’s a good reason for wearing high vis that folk don’t think about but here is a real example…
Likewise, a dumper truck could sneak up on your man with the hat and knock him on the head... It's a bit of a contradiction there, just because you dont think there's a reason then there's no issue.

The other fix is no lone working on site.
 
Yeah, or the arm of a digger, the blind side crushing, material lifts, scaffold and, increasingly, nail guns…and proper lock offs for power, even 110V
 
Much of H&S application is overzealous due to poor interpretation of the hazard and risk. Many managers and senior managers like to use H&S NOT to do a job, many workers think it’s gone too far, but the right precautions applied sensibly are, without doubt, saving lives every day
We get safety bulletins through from a big company we work with. Some are serious, some are obvious, one recent one was someone hurting their arm in a company fun day sack race - we were left wondering what do we take from that???
 
We had:
‘back injury due to proving I could Cossack dance to staff’
‘dropped safety shoe on foot breaking big toe’
Starling flew out of bush causing cut above eye’
‘Ran over own foot with forklift truck whilst talking to some pretty girls’
My favourite two are both the missus
‘Paper cut to eye whilst getting file out of handbag’ and
USB phone charger socket snapped back and lodged in eye socket’
I’m not saying she’s clumsy but…🤪
actually in the accident book
 
We get safety bulletins through from a big company we work with. Some are serious, some are obvious, one recent one was someone hurting their arm in a company fun day sack race - we were left wondering what do we take from that???
Anyone taking part in sport or a game does so at their own risk, non volente fit injura, unless down to inadequate or unmaintained equipment or ‘outside sources’, which effectively means, respectively, if your playing rugby and the posts fall down or a plane falls out of the sky
 
They dug a hole, then went away. Presumably the work in the hole requires different expertise.
Later a truck arrived, and grabbed the pile of earth and took it away. Why? Won't they need to put it back in later?
Today, one man, with clipboard, hi-vis vest and hard hat, peering into the hole for 10 minutes, then departed.
Why the hard hat? Is the sky falling? A few neighbours out and about, inicluding me, none of us wearing hard hats.
I wonder how long before someone arrives to actually do something in the hole.
The mystery (and the hole) deepens.

I once had a conversation with a guy who used to be the person who would go around filling in holes in the street, that was the total extent of his skills, someone would dig a hole, do some work and at some point he’d get sent along to fill it in.

I think this is why roadworks are so disorganised, because they plan for person A -highly training “digging a hole” to come along and make the first hole and put out some cones, then a few weeks later someone remembers they organised a hole to be dug and send someone along person B - who is highly trained in looking into a hole and deciding if that’s a the right hole, shape size depth, place, that they need.

Assuming all is good another bloke gets sent along perso. C highly trained in actually doing something useful. Who does their work and buggers off

Finally assuming everything has gone smoothly person D turns up with a shovel to fill in the hole a task that only he has been highly trained in.

All of this probably to tick a boat load of H&S check boxes.
Yep normal people don’t wear a hard hat or high vis but you can bet if he was hit by a bus 200 yards down the road getting out of his car, that would be the first thing the insurance company would want to know before paying out any accident at work claim
 
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