What's made you grumpy today?

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What's made you grumpy today?

I think it's been well covered in this thread and we are just going around in circles falling out with everyone. I'm certainly not going to be starting any thread on politics but if you want to start one on fighting the rise of fascism then by all means go for it! There will be no censorship here........ So long as it complies with the forum rules of course so no swearing, name calling, trolling or abuse ;)



I think removing some of the culprits who are keen to insult and point fingers at those who disagree with them (and have disagreed respectfully and properly) would fix it!

It’s not even a discussion because they’ve formed their opinion in stone and are simply here to repeat them and insult, as opposed to trying to understand different viewpoints and keep an open mind. Which tbh is why it’s still going on, sadly
 
As is usual with alt-right sympathisers, it's always someone else to blame, never their abhorrent views.

They hide beind 'free speech', yet shut down anyone using the same right to criticise them.

And we have at least another 5 years of this before we may get a government who turns around this drift towards 1930s Germany.
 
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Certain people keep talking about different opinions like they know the difference between opinions and discrimination.

An opinion is whether or not pineapple belongs on a pizza - ultimately, it affects no-one other than the person eating the pizza.

An opinion is NOT whether we (as the fortunate ones) should be looking after those less fortunate, or that everyone - regardless of skin colour, country of origin, sexual orientation, gender identity or religious beliefs (or lack thereof) - should be entitled to the same rights and be free from persecution for their beliefs or choices.
 
Certain people keep talking about different opinions like they know the difference between opinions and discrimination.

An opinion is whether or not pineapple belongs on a pizza - ultimately, it affects no-one other than the person eating the pizza.

An opinion is NOT whether we (as the fortunate ones) should be looking after those less fortunate, or that everyone - regardless of skin colour, country of origin, sexual orientation, gender identity or religious beliefs (or lack thereof) - should be entitled to the same rights and be free from persecution for their beliefs or choices.

I wish it were possible to give more than a 'thumbs up' for this.
 
Reading the content of this thread has given me cause to reflect on how my interaction with the world has changed over the years. Back in the 1950's, with my father having fought his war in the east, Burma etc, He stayed in the forces for some time after the war finished. The knock on of this for me was that I was sent off to a succession of male only boarding schools. The one where I spent most of my school life conducted activities which, I now realize, were to prepare you for a life in the forces. Much accent was placed on playing team games, cold showers, "stiff upper lips" and "being a man", with derision being heaped on the unfortunate few who were considered to be "Nancy boys". I engaged enthusiastically in our ACF (Army Cadet Force) which was where I gained my fascination with vehicles. (and learned safe weapons handling) Anyone looking for me knew I was likely to be in the transport garages if I couldn't be found elsewhere. From there I progressed on to working on cars for a living and gaining my City & Guilds etc.

All this was very "male" territory in those days and this definitely influenced my outlook. I viewed it as a virtue to be a "tough guy". Swimming in cold rivers in winter, Lifting gearboxes up onto benches single handed, lying under breakdowns in the snow, drinking lots of alcohol and smoking cigarettes, knocking about with "macho men", riding motor cycles fast, all seemed like a good idea. However I've never been at ease with discrimination of any sort. Then, when I got my first paying job, the future Mrs Jock and I rented a flat just on the north side of Kew bridge. The flat above us was rented by a gay couple and thank goodness it was. Slowly we became good friends and I started to realize the world was a very different place to the very controlled and authoritarian place I'd grown up in. My conversion to becoming, what I hope is, a more caring member of the human race had begun!

I have also, especially during my time as a trainer (lecturer would be too grand a title) come into close contact with many people of different ethnic and religious and political backgrounds and it's taught me that everyone needs to be taken as you find then without the damaging preconceptions that race, religion, colour, politics, etc, etc, can bring. By all means have your own strong views but respect that others also have them and things change over time so sometimes you are going to be wrong.

Happy new year to you all
Jock

PS. There's a good old Scots saying "We're aw Jock Tamson's bairns". I try to live by it. Here's a bit of info for those who are wondering: //www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-25895,00.html : By interesting coincidence I used to look after the gardens around Duddingston manse and the flower beds, but not the grass, around the Kirk itself when I had the disabled gardening squad.
 
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Oh, and on the subject of gardening and Duddingston, I would like to recommend Dr Neils Garden to you. It's situated on the slope below Duddingston Kirk and the Loch. Accessed through the Manse gardens - There is a small wrought iron gate at the far end of the manse gardens near the toilets. Although there are "official" opening times, it's been my experience that the gate is seldom locked and you are always made welcome if you bump into a member of gardening staff. If you do, bump into a gardener that is, ask about the tower at the bottom of the gardens near the boundary wall. There's a very amusing wee tale about it and the Reverend, who, by the way, I believe is the black clothed figure in that famous painting of the skater on the loch by Henry Raeburn which hangs in the Scottish National Gallery here in Edinburgh

The garden is interesting because it was just a scree slope which the (medical) doctors Neil acquired from the church many years ago and set about turning it into an arboritum. It's a really lovely place to take a wander around but is quite hilly so difficult for disabled. I must say though that my learning disabled crew absolutely loved visiting and we even used to help with leaf collection and when "heavy muscle" was needed. A few hours spent wandering around and looking out over the Loch and it's wildlife on a nice summers day is very hard to beat! During the festival the gardens also become the venue for interactive plays and I try to always take the grandchildren (Fairies, Trolls and Dragons hiding in the bushes have been just a few of the delights.)

PS. and you can always finish off with tea and scones at the manse gardens tea rooms if you are visiting in the summer! Mrs J particularly recommends that activity.
 
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It's a fact I'm afraid, pineapple does not belong on a pizza........ It belongs in a fruit bowl nowhere eles certainly not on a pizza......or a gammon steak for that matter!

then you cant have tomato sauce on a pizza as tomato is a fruit or peppers as they are a fruit. if you put a pineapple in the fruit bowl there would be no room for all the other fruit.
 
then you cant have tomato sauce on a pizza as tomato is a fruit or peppers as they are a fruit. if you put a pineapple in the fruit bowl there would be no room for all the other fruit.

Stop being silly. Everyone knows that tomatoes form the very basis of a pizza. It's in thier DNA. Every pizza is grown with tomatoes in them! Next you'll be telling me that sweetcorn deserves a place on one :cry:
 
I voted for pineapple on pizza. Anchovies are also welcome!

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Stop being silly. Everyone knows that tomatoes form the very basis of a pizza. It's in thier DNA. Every pizza is grown with tomatoes in them! Next you'll be telling me that sweetcorn deserves a place on one :cry:

I worry for my sons future at present, he is both allergic to tomatoes and cows milk.

As a result unless he grows out of this any pizza he could have will be extremely disappointing.

He's going to be on of these annoying people with no fat on them if he gets a combination of my love of running but is incapable of balancing out with my love of pizza.

Then again he might get my wifes taste for pineapple on them...which is a crime
 
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Couple of weeks ago someone offered me a slice of "pizza" with barbeque paste instead of tomato.
Tasted alright, I guess.
Not sure it still counts as pizza though.
 
We, the then future Mrs Jock and I, "discovered" pizzas back in the 60s. It was one of our favorite treats if we had a couple of "bob" to spare. Pizzas were a very cheap option then and it didn't take us long to find we liked those being served in the then new to the scene Pizza Express. We would go to the one on the Fulham Road, not far from Putney Bridge - No 895, still there to this day I see. My all time favorite is their American Hot which still features on their menu. Over the years we've tried a number of the "new pretenders" but always come back to this our favorite.

Pineapple in a fruit salad? yum yum, very nice. On a pizza or piece of ham? no thank you. I do go with the anchovies though but in moderation - Maybe not on the ham though? Of course if you want to be purist about it we discovered, many years later, just how good a plain tomato and mozzarella Margherita can be when we first visited Naples.
 
Well, my favourite pizza is a hawaiian, so that's my credibility shot then.

Many years ago, while still living at home, just me and mum by then, we would see each other briefly at breakfast, and otherwise sometime at the weekend. We would inform each other of our movements, to organise feeding of the cat etc., because the little darlings do like to be fed twice.

Get to the point! (Sorry)

One day, mum got a couple of gammon steaks, but my plans changed, so I was not home for dinner.
Next day, at breakfast, my lunch was in its box already, thanks very much, off to work I went.
The 'ham sandwich' looked rather thicker than usual. Then the surprise, inside was teh full gammon steak, complete with pineapple ring. Great sandwich.
 
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