185 may be a little cheaper: it's the other compromise.
Technical what size tyres for better handling???
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Technical what size tyres for better handling???
185 may be a little cheaper: it's the other compromise.
mz flux said:Duncan?? what would Lou do??? tee hee
Probably go and take his frustration out on Paul, but Harrold would stop him. Then he'd go and get some lovely white Compomotive MOs with 195/45 Toyo Proxes then break his clutch! Then just go and work on his lovely orange tan.
being honest, 185/50R13 don't seem to exist & 185/55R13 seem to be low-end tyres onlyfingers99 said:185 may be a little cheaper: it's the other compromise.
I'm assuming 13" rims here. mz flux you can see what wheel you've got by the markings on your tyres
yeh i hear ya stonenewt i couldnt find that size either!!! i have 165 65 on my standard alloys but wanted a better size for my new alloys (which turned up the other day really badly chipped !!!!!!!!) duncan-lol lol lovin ur reply!!!! lovin the look of that size too so thinkin i'll search for 175/185 45s after i've sorted out wot to do with the alloys and who's gonna pay for it!!!
!!!!!!!!) duncan-lol lol lovin ur reply!!!! lovin the look of that size too so thinkin i'll search for 175/185 45s after i've sorted out wot to do with the alloys and who's gonna pay for it!!!
of you're talking 14" rims then 185/50R14 has Conti SportContact at that size (though looking at reviews PremiumContact give better all-around performance), Pirelli P6000 are found at 175/50R41 too...
Ah dont bother getting all these wide tyres, what you need is the power of NANKANG!!!! Mwahahahah Well as long as you dont enjoy life
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Go for the 185 i reckon, that with 45s will not be much different to your standard tyre size...... much better round corners and these cars are built for roundabouts vroooooooooom
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The other trick would be to see what tyres people are using in production racing.
In my youth, every street hooligan used PZ2 or PZ4 Michelins on their RD Yamahas or Ducati singles -- these were racing intermediates with a very short life on a TZ (race) Yamaha, but a quite acceptable one on lightweight street bikes and as grippy as hell.
I bought a set of alloys for the Fulvia off a guy who'd been racing one -- these were some make I'd never heard of -- maybe made by the sponsors of the series. I thought of ripping em off and bunging a better known brand on, but they were wonderful tyres and (combined with lift off oversteer) saved my silly kneck several times.
In my youth, every street hooligan used PZ2 or PZ4 Michelins on their RD Yamahas or Ducati singles -- these were racing intermediates with a very short life on a TZ (race) Yamaha, but a quite acceptable one on lightweight street bikes and as grippy as hell.
I bought a set of alloys for the Fulvia off a guy who'd been racing one -- these were some make I'd never heard of -- maybe made by the sponsors of the series. I thought of ripping em off and bunging a better known brand on, but they were wonderful tyres and (combined with lift off oversteer) saved my silly kneck several times.
Why ,oh why ,oh why does everybody insist on ruining the performance and handling of small-medium cars by fitting big wheels and tyres?!Do you think that fitting mountain bike tyres to your 10 speed racer bicycle is gonna make it faster.
OK so you might have more "Grip" but you sure dont have better handling.The smaller tyre is far more chuckable/driftable while the big one will loose its grip in a snap slide chucking you into a ditch!!!
So with that in m ind my suggestion 155!!!Well maybe not!-Not many sporty 155s available...
OK so you might have more "Grip" but you sure dont have better handling.The smaller tyre is far more chuckable/driftable while the big one will loose its grip in a snap slide chucking you into a ditch!!!
So with that in m ind my suggestion 155!!!Well maybe not!-Not many sporty 155s available...
Erms, actually my thin almost-slick road tyres will grip the road better than mountain bike tyres & have less resistance
Problem is that nice tyres don't seem to start happening to 175mm wide (apart from some track-day semi-slick things you'd be insane to buy for general road use) and fyi my 175/50R13s make the punto more chuckable than my 155/70R13 & let go much more progressively (& lacked the insane amounts of understeer) than any tyre I tried at stock width.
Problem is that nice tyres don't seem to start happening to 175mm wide (apart from some track-day semi-slick things you'd be insane to buy for general road use) and fyi my 175/50R13s make the punto more chuckable than my 155/70R13 & let go much more progressively (& lacked the insane amounts of understeer) than any tyre I tried at stock width.
Stay with 175/50/13 tyres and look at all mini suppliers as its the single most commonly used tyres on minis these days as ive said on here before so look at places like
www.midlandwheels.com MWS
www.minispares-online.co.uk Huddersfield spares
If you want pure non stop dry weather grip get some A048 yoko 175's on there theyre basically road legal slick tyres
i run dunlop sports on the arosa below and there total crap wet or dry, the deep dish rims in my sig are fitted with toyo proxes and the difference is phenominal, i also ran yoko A539's on my old cinq and they gave great grip in hot weather like today but pretty poor in wet where as toyo's are a good mix of both, i find contis crap myself michelin will outdo them anyday and about same price usually
wayne
www.midlandwheels.com MWS
www.minispares-online.co.uk Huddersfield spares
If you want pure non stop dry weather grip get some A048 yoko 175's on there theyre basically road legal slick tyres
i run dunlop sports on the arosa below and there total crap wet or dry, the deep dish rims in my sig are fitted with toyo proxes and the difference is phenominal, i also ran yoko A539's on my old cinq and they gave great grip in hot weather like today but pretty poor in wet where as toyo's are a good mix of both, i find contis crap myself michelin will outdo them anyday and about same price usually
wayne
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ytareh said:
Mmmm. I think you're right to distinguish between grip and handling: surely handling comes in at the limit of grip. This limit is going to be higher with fatter tyres. To use your analogy, the skinny tyred car will be sliding through the apex while the fat tyred car will be heading off into the distance.
What happens at the limit of grip with the fat tyred car is going to depend on many factors other than wheels and tyres: roll centres, weight balance and so on.
I'd maintain that chuckability is a function of grip and steering. You might loose some steering feel, but you won't actually loose the ability to change direction!
Of course, this doesn't cover situations like running oversized tyres on 16" rims on an unlowered car not fitted with an anti-roll bar.
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Is it wise to only run different brands sizes, in pairs, or all 4 at the same time, or could i progressily move from 165/55/13 to 175/50/13 as each one wears and needs replacing??
Also, if you can mix, would 175/50 on front and 165/55 on rear make any sense? more grip and handling where the steering and power are, and thinner tyres on the back? I find it hard to get the rear end slipping out even on the wet
Kristian
Also, if you can mix, would 175/50 on front and 165/55 on rear make any sense? more grip and handling where the steering and power are, and thinner tyres on the back? I find it hard to get the rear end slipping out even on the wet
Kristian
General wisdom says that your best tyres go to the rear, FWD or otherwise. Simply put it gives the car more stability... also if you lob your smaller, warn pair on the back it'll take an eternity to wear out!
Hi there mz flux,
as per your question I'll let you know...
I'm getting my new alloys on saturday 7" wide with 185/60/13 tyres on them.
Seing as next week rain is foreseen over here I'll let you know about the handling...
From what I've been told it will improve your handling since you will have a bigger surface (185 compared to 165 hence 20 cm more) but you will lose on acceleration
As suggested after you put wider tyres (or before) you might want to go for a lowering kit and a strut brace. This way fun certainly is due to start
Enjoy your ride,
A. :slayer:
as per your question I'll let you know...
I'm getting my new alloys on saturday 7" wide with 185/60/13 tyres on them.
Seing as next week rain is foreseen over here I'll let you know about the handling...
From what I've been told it will improve your handling since you will have a bigger surface (185 compared to 165 hence 20 cm more) but you will lose on acceleration
As suggested after you put wider tyres (or before) you might want to go for a lowering kit and a strut brace. This way fun certainly is due to start
Enjoy your ride,
A. :slayer:
