Didn't mean it like that dude. Just luck of the draw in IT
if you give me a job i forgive you
my mate got lucky, he walked into a decent job - i not bitter that i did most of his work for him :bang:
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What qualifications are you working towards?
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What qualifications are you working towards?
if you give me a job i forgive you
my mate got lucky, he walked into a decent job - i not bitter that i did most of his work for him :bang:
i also said how i DONT get special treatment because of it
come on man thats bull, ofcorce you do
Uni means to much these days. I went for the option, it was amazing (everything but the going to uni) and thats why I got shot out But luckily I've found my way into the industry anyway. I'm sure the figures for University Graduates going into the profession studied is well below 40%. And a high number are going into jobs such a call centres. Problem is, so many people planning on doing the same career theres not enough places for them. Industry's need to start putting training programmes together from 16 and leaving school to 18 and finishing college. Earn money while you learn! It's a shock when you realise how much they want back. Even after 4 months (at uni and living in uni halls for a year.)
Labour are to blame for this!
@ grandeJ....You do get special treatment lol Its always the same, like when I worked for my dad.
But luckily I've found my way into the industry anyway. I'm sure the figures for University Graduates going into the profession studied is well below 40%. And a high number are going into jobs such a call centres. Problem is, so many people planning on doing the same career theres not enough places for them. Industry's need to start putting training programmes together from 16 and leaving school to 18 and finishing college. Earn money while you learn! It's a shock when you realise how much they want back. Even after 4 months (at uni and living in uni halls for a year.) Labour are to blame for this!
@ grandeJ....You do get special treatment lol Its always the same, like when I worked for my dad.
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a degree wasnt an option for me, no matter what my skills or experience i couldnt have my job without a degree, and not just any degree it had to be a 1st or 2:1 in a computing and business related subject.
but a degree alone isnt enough. that is why so many graduates end up in call centres. to succeed you need the full package, a degree is just one tick out of 20, but you need to tick all the boxes if you want to go far in the professional world.
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I have my A-level in Law i'd love to go university to get a degree in it but doubt i will now
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Getting a degree gave me more choices in the career I wanted, but like Jug, most of the more desirable companies to work for wanted at least a 2:1 or 1st in a relevant subject.
It's a shame that the "better" Uni's all insist on teaching theoretical academic nonsense, whereas the "lesser" Uni's teach real world practical skills which would have meant I could have been productive from day one in my job, rather than having to go on courses.
Still, I'm here now and it pays the bills
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It's a shame that the "better" Uni's all insist on teaching theoretical academic nonsense, whereas the "lesser" Uni's teach real world practical skills which would have meant I could have been productive from day one in my job, rather than having to go on courses.
Still, I'm here now and it pays the bills
Chris
i'd back up what you're saying before you start blurting your mouth off uninformed. if you went to uni you would learn that you have to back up everything you say else you get **** for it
theres no sign of a reduction in the demand for graduates from employers. yeah theres competition but thats because they are all worthy because of skill levels you get from going into university. starting salary for a graduate is estimated at about 23k which is 3% up from last year. id be happy with that.
fair enough there are the one or two that come out and work at McDonalds, but do you know what grade they got? they probably got a 3rd which is pretty much pointless and they have wasted thier time. tbh if you settle for a job in a call centre, as opposed to going for one of the many graduate jobs available, then they obviously wasnt cut out for the whole thing.
tbh, i could fight my corner all day long.
so next time you try and shout your mouth off about university being pointless, id like to see some facts that back up your statement, thats poor practice in academia. but you appear to have failed so i dont expect to know how we do things here (sorry if thats wrong, but from your post it sounds like you went to uni.. and just partied, thats not what its about tbh)
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oh and jamie...
you wouldnt have got the skills you have if your parents didnt give you a chance at take you on.
its rare you get employers willing to take on skilless, "qualificationless" people, because training them takes time and money they just dont wanna spend, its much more convenient to just take someone on that know what they are already doing.
you wouldnt be anywhere if it wasnt for your parents, and im sure others would agree
(oh and mods.. this isnt one of them normal personal digs at jamie, im just stating the truth, not spoiling for a fight)
you wouldnt have got the skills you have if your parents didnt give you a chance at take you on.
its rare you get employers willing to take on skilless, "qualificationless" people, because training them takes time and money they just dont wanna spend, its much more convenient to just take someone on that know what they are already doing.
you wouldnt be anywhere if it wasnt for your parents, and im sure others would agree
(oh and mods.. this isnt one of them normal personal digs at jamie, im just stating the truth, not spoiling for a fight)
why has everyone shut up about this now
i like a good argument :devil:
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why has everyone shut up about this now
i like a good argument :devil:
I would but your right
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^^ Sounds like a dig to me.
My arguement has been around for a few years now. What do I need to back me up, its common sense and economics Everyone in Uni now, whos going to do the labour intensive work once everyone has retired. For example; D.I.Y bathrooms, kitchens etc? All future fitters/plumbers/brickies/etc will have been forced into Uni and not learnt their trade. Gov's solution to this is probably some glamorous trade courses.
I didn't party actually. Had 25hours a week. Was in 27hours freshers week. It was all I wanted to do as a career, but it was a bull**** course. Now, with my company I can branch into any career, where ever. If we want to work anywhere where we have an office, we can. Which is pretty much anywhere in the world you can think of. I'm far better of now than if I had stuck with Uni. Going to be on a way higher wage than when I would have come out of Uni, plus all the money I'll have earned over the 4 years I would have been at Uni. And delegating to the graduates of the same age. Far better of.
http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk...suffer-graduate-jobs-shortage-64375-20602443/
"Figures seen by the Daily Post show that, on some courses at universities in the region, more than four-fifths of students do not go into jobs after graduation which require a degree.
Last night, one senior city academic warned that the job market was failing to create enough graduate-level jobs to meet the rising number of people getting a degree."
- Granted its only Liverpool and the region. But that says more than 80%. So i was way off with my guess that you shot down.
Uni aren't doing their job really are they -
http://www.cv-library.co.uk/news/883/'Skills-shortage'-among-UK-graduates.html
Let me know how much more you want me to find
My arguement has been around for a few years now. What do I need to back me up, its common sense and economics
Everyone in Uni now, whos going to do the labour intensive work once everyone has retired. For example; D.I.Y bathrooms, kitchens etc? All future fitters/plumbers/brickies/etc will have been forced into Uni and not learnt their trade. Gov's solution to this is probably some glamorous trade courses.I didn't party actually. Had 25hours a week. Was in 27hours freshers week. It was all I wanted to do as a career, but it was a bull**** course. Now, with my company I can branch into any career, where ever. If we want to work anywhere where we have an office, we can. Which is pretty much anywhere in the world you can think of. I'm far better of now than if I had stuck with Uni. Going to be on a way higher wage than when I would have come out of Uni, plus all the money I'll have earned over the 4 years I would have been at Uni. And delegating to the graduates of the same age. Far better of.
http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk...suffer-graduate-jobs-shortage-64375-20602443/
"Figures seen by the Daily Post show that, on some courses at universities in the region, more than four-fifths of students do not go into jobs after graduation which require a degree.
Last night, one senior city academic warned that the job market was failing to create enough graduate-level jobs to meet the rising number of people getting a degree."
- Granted its only Liverpool and the region. But that says more than 80%. So i was way off with my guess that you shot down.
Uni aren't doing their job really are they -
http://www.cv-library.co.uk/news/883/'Skills-shortage'-among-UK-graduates.html
Let me know how much more you want me to find
Just for the hell of itwhy has everyone shut up about this now
i like a good argument :devil:
He doesn't benefit from his parents being his boss, the boss can still be aright prick to him, fire him at any time, oh sod it, I cba doing this. Sorry Kay, I tried.
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I'm Waiting! You still in shock from my figures?
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"everyone" is a bit optimistic. of all my mates i'm the only graduate. there are still plenty of GCSEless people out there, state schools provide a never ending supply (or maybe thats just the north east).
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I'm waiting on my Complex Neuro surgery degree coursework being delivered from the O.U.
Only have a few NCs a HND and some FSA stuff just now.
Only have a few NCs a HND and some FSA stuff just now.
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Give her time she's using a Mac remember
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this is an arugment that can carry on for days, that last article agree'd with what i said about lots of jobs being available and rising, but just said about skills... not all unis are the same, some are good, others not so good, it all depends on where you went and what you come out with. like i said before if you get a 3rd, yeah you're a graduate but its pretty pointless, you might as well of not got a degree all together.
as ive said before, its the fault of the person, not the degree or the university or the working world if someone goes into a **** job as apposed to the one they studied.
its a massive flaw with quantative research, they just count numbers. qualitative is whats needed for areas such as these, fair enought they will come out with a figure say "30% of students do not go into the job they studied for at university"
but did they ask why? no, of course they didnt. they are just after the numbers and the figures.
they dont care if they decided to have a break from it for a year, and THEN get into the industry, they dont care that they might have grown to not enjoy it anymore THATS why they arent working in that sector. they dont ask those kinds of things.
which as a whole makes most figures of that nature massivly flawed and not worth much, if anything.
as ive said before, its the fault of the person, not the degree or the university or the working world if someone goes into a **** job as apposed to the one they studied.
its a massive flaw with quantative research, they just count numbers. qualitative is whats needed for areas such as these, fair enought they will come out with a figure say "30% of students do not go into the job they studied for at university"
but did they ask why? no, of course they didnt. they are just after the numbers and the figures.
they dont care if they decided to have a break from it for a year, and THEN get into the industry, they dont care that they might have grown to not enjoy it anymore THATS why they arent working in that sector. they dont ask those kinds of things.
which as a whole makes most figures of that nature massivly flawed and not worth much, if anything.
