General Warranty - a quick question

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General Warranty - a quick question

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We have put down a deposit on a 2nd hand Fiat 500C which we are buying from a Fiat franchised dealer.

The car comes with 12 months Fiat warranty.

The dealer is trying to sell me a 3 year additional policy that is with the dealership - not with Fiat direct. He says that I have to buy the warranty now and cant buy it in 12 months time... I'm not quite that gullible.

Can anyone tell me if Fiat will write to me in twelve months offering an extended warranty - I would much prefer to stay with Fiat over a 3rd party?

I hope this makes sense! Thanks :)
 
Probably it won't be with the actual dealer themselves being the guaranteeing party, it'll be a third party bought in warranty. Do you know who it's actually with? They vary greatly as to what is covered and exclusions. can you get a copy of the agreement and take a look at what's actually covered?

How old is the car you are buying and what is it's mileage? How much does the dealer want for the extra cover? This article gives you an idea of the pitfalls and advantages (few as they are in my opinion): https://www.moneyadviceservice.org.uk/en/articles/car-warranties
See the "Buyer Beware" insert about half way down the page. Personally I never take "add on" warranty and if you've got a year with the dealer that should give plenty of time to notice anything which is significantly wrong. After that the stuff most likely to need attention is the likes of brake pads etc (ie "consumables" which won't be covered anyway).

Unless you are doing starship type mileages failure of things like main engine parts and transmission really shouldn't be a worry - although you can be simply "unlucky".

I know when I bought my brand new Ibiza (so not a Fiat product) If I'd wanted the extended warrant it had to be bought at the time of original purchase.

If you feel you really need it and don't want to go with the dealer there are shed loads of companies out there just waiting for you. Give it a google.
 
PS. Sorry I didn't address the question at the end of your post did I? I think they might pursue you if you'd been buying a new vehicle, although maybe not - As I said I would have had to buy the SEAT genuine warranty extension at the time of new purchase if I'd wanted to with my Ibiza. I don't think they'll chase you up for a "used vehicle" sale.

I know selling on warranties at a later date is common with white goods etc but the motor trade has never really bothered itself with this sort of thing in my experience? The salesman tries to sell you one at time of sale because, of course, he's probably making a wee bit of extra bonus on it? Just like selling you a fancy paint protection, or upholstery protection treatment, or -------? Which all ups the ante and increases his cut!

I'm old now so have the advantage of hindsight and thought I'd pass on my experiences. When first married (early '70s) it was difficult to afford stuff like washing machines etc, and there was little money spare to pay for repairs, so we bought warranties on just about everything we bought! We also had an all singing all dancing service contract on the boiler, plumbing, drains, etc and probably other stuff I've forgotten about. I think it was when we replaced that first washing machine - a Phillips Slimstar, which lasted over 10 years! - and we had to decide whether to take the cover, that Mrs J (my personal financial advisor) totted up what it was all costing and worked out what it had saved us since we had got married - she keeps extensive records - The money paid out vs the stuff that had gone wrong and what it would have cost us for repairs/servicing if we'd had no warranties and had to pay for repairs - it was just nonsense! We never bought another extended warranty or boiler maintenance etc from then on. Take a look at your outgoings, you might get a bit of a shock. Yes things do go wrong and an unexpected expense is incurred for repair but just put a set amount by each month and you'll soon have a nice wee buffer built up for these "disasters" so they don't become "disastrous"! Of course you need good property insurance and insurance for the car and you can budget for the boiler maintenance every year. Otherwise just put a wee bit away whenever you can and pretty soon you build up a wee list of good, helpful tradespeople who charge reasonable rates and fix things properly and from there on you're laughing all the way to the bank!

My way of thinking about it is the warranty company is arranging for a plumber, electrician, heating engineer, or whoever (quite possibly the very person you would be employing independently) and paying them to do the job and creaming a wee bit off the top for doing it. It'll be someone different each time and some will do a good job and some won't - "big names" I've found stand for nothing - Why not just go straight to the provider direct and get a trades person you know, from previous contact, does a good job? You probably won't be calling very often whereas the insurance company is a yearly expense for sure! I've always liked dealing with "the wee man" anyway.
 
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Of course you need good property insurance and insurance for the car and you can budget for the boiler maintenance every year. Otherwise just put a wee bit away whenever you can and pretty soon you build up a wee list of good, helpful tradespeople who charge reasonable rates and fix things properly and from there on you're laughing all the way to the bank!

Just having a wee re-read of my recent posts and this (the above) made me ponder on where, over the years, I'd saved most money. It may seem obvious but it's labour which is the real "killer" expense. As soon as you need to have someone come round to effect a repair that's when the cost really takes off.

A good example I can use to illustrate this is my older boy's recent toilet plumbing leak. Their toilet has not been flushing properly for some time now but they've done nothing about it, just vigorously pumping the flush lever half a dozen times or so to get it to eventually flush. Anyway, about a week ago he rang me to say "Dad, there's water on the bathroom floor around the toilet" My boy, unlike his younger brother, is not a DIY man and has almost no tools, he's also on the other side of town. I was worried he might have a leak on the supply side and that serious flooding could be possible so told him to ring a plumber near him I know who responded within the hour. Turns out the main syphon securing nut needed tightening. An easy job as the toilet reservoir tank is not close coupled, although access was complicated by it being a built in unit. He was there for about 20 minutes and it cost my boy £70.

Following this the flush failed completely (not linked to the plumber's repair in any way, it was the usual failed diaphragm problem) so I went over and replaced the complete syphon assembly which also involved partially dismantling the vanity unit it's built into. Total cost? £20! and that was for the good quality syphon unit. I'm sure it would have been well "north" of £100 if we'd got the plumber to do it. Don't think I'm slagging off the plumber, I think his prices are reasonable and I don't begrudge anyone earning a living, it's just that there's humoungous savings to be made if you can be bothered to learn how to do repairs yourself and cut out the labour expense.

For many people it's confidence that's the big problem (mind you I would advise against overconfidence in yourself as well!) Plumbing is a good place to start as, unlike with electricity, you are unlikely to kill yourself! Start off buying yourself one of those big DIY manuals. They are often heavily discounted in those book shops which are full of books no-one really wanted, jumble sales are a good hunting ground too. I've got a couple of these "Bibles" - and they are as thick and heavy as a Bible - Here's one:

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Although I do much of my own household repairs and have done so for many years, I still find myself referring to it from time to time.

After reading it up get yourself some tools, lengths of pipe - copper &/or plastic or both - and connectors (learning to solder copper pipes is great fun) Start practicing cutting and making joints. If you're like me you'll find it amazingly satisfying! A couple of years ago we were going up stairs to bed when, about half way up the flight, a drip landed on my head! I looked up and there was a large wet patch on the landing ceiling with a very slow drip of water going on. I realised the main water tank is above there so I nipped up into the loft and, after taking up some of the flooring I'd only recently laid, discovered a tiny weep going on in the gravity supply pipe from the tank to the rest of the house (cold water taps). I wrapped the pipe with self amalgamating tape to stop the leak overnight and went back up next morning, plugged the tank outlet with one of those very useful conical rubber bungs, cut out the leaking bit of pipe and fitted a new piece with a compression joint at each end of the new bit of pipe. Job done. What would that have cost for an emergency plumber at close to midnight? Taking floor boards up gets exciting and taking down ceilings even more so but it's all doable and technically much less demanding than working on cars. Stay well away from gas though - it's illegal anyway! By the way, No, I had not put a nail through the pipe whilst laying the flooring! It was an inclusion formed during extrusion of the pipe when it was manufactured which had just, after about 30 years since the build, decided to start weeping. Never seen the likes of this before or since. Of course now I'm wondering if there's another one lurking somewhere inaccessible which is gently dripping away without my knowledge? Can't loose any sleep over it though.

There's a lot you can do with electricity too. Replacing switches and light fittings, perhaps adding a light. Our bedroom had just one ceiling light at the end of the room - why not in the middle? Ah well - I extended the wiring to a second pendant fitting at the other end of the room to give even illumination. Very exciting making the hole in the ceiling for the wire! I also rewired my garage lighting from one centrally mounted pendant bulb to two twin 5 ft fluorescent battens (although I did check with an electrician that the existing supply wiring was robust enough to take it) I'd like to fit a 16amp power socket in my garage to power my compressor but that will involve circuit breakers etc so I'll get an electrician to do it for me. Just make sure you kill the mains before doing anything.

So if you've never tried it do have a go, start with something simple and read up and google/you tube it before starting. It won't always be simple and sometimes it goes wrong but sorting it out can only make you better at doing it! It's great fun and can save you enormous amounts of money! If you don't feel confident but still want to give it a try wait 'til covid opens up again and go to an evening class, It's socially great fun and you'll learn loads.
 
"Just make sure you kill the mains before doing anything."(y)

Indeed. Kill the mains or the mains might kill you ;)

On another note - plumbing is not always easy either. As the saying goes, water will find its way, and it often does. And it often does it a while after finishing the job, so may go unnoticed for some time. So don't unerestimate that one. Admittedly, it won't kill you, but it can create a lot of frustration. :bang:

I'm a keen do it yourselfer myself, so I have gone through a lot of not always pleasant experiences.
But only practice makes the expert.
 
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All useful stuff, but to return to the original question.

The initial Fiat warranty covers I think the first two years, with a third year added for the original owner, sometimes at extra cost.
If the car changes hands, the standard 2yr warranty transfers, but the extra is usually only transferrable for a fee.
Fiat will not chase you later.
The extra warranty will always have a clause about having servicing done by a dealer, at the correct intervals. If the original owner has not followed that, the extra warranty may be transferred, but claims will probably be refused, so beware fo that.

I'm guessing that the car is a year old, so you'd get the second year of the standard warranty.

As said above, the additional warranty the dealer is trying to sell you will be an insurance policy through a specialist warranty company. As above, the parts covered varies, so a lot of small print needs reading. These will also have a servicing clause, which is one of the main reasons to sell it to you.

Like Jock said, probably not worth it, put aside some savings instead. Even for the Fiat warranty, make sure the service history is good.
 
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