Volkswagen emissions scandal

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Gentlemen, this thread has been round the block & back again...:D I'm all for a bit of craic but this is way off topic, not that I have a real problem with that. Obviously people will have different opinions, so let's see....:D we have have went from VW & their dastardly emissions, various makes of cars, other forum user cars, probably other wee bits that I've missed out & now we are on to driving ability...:D

Waiting for the next installment, this is fast becoming a soap opera.......:D
Keep up the good work chaps....(y)
 
I wouldn't drive one, honestly. I love my car, even fixing it and driving it for the first few hours of a journey before I start thinking about how if I took the bus I'd have had X hours reclaimed to study / read / relax lol The car is great but I don't think I'm as into 'driving' in a big way. Tbh if I could replace my car with a bicycle or a scooter realistically I would!!! So perhaps this is why I don't share the same lust for Porsche as most of you. I'm well aware I'm in a minority and it's an unpopular opinion but it's genuine.

There is a definite sense with the replies to these questions, that the context of the question is twisted to then try and make a different point.

While I’m with you that if I didn’t have to drive I would have a lot more time to do other things, that was never the subject of my question, nor does it have anything to do with your own love of your own car, and nor are we talking about ‘lust’ for any other vehicle. There are plenty of cars I would never lust after or desire in any way, but I would still go for a spin if someone chucked me the the keys.

Literally any car I would give a go if someone offered me a drive, and I do.

If someone said ‘here drive this porsche, panda, road sweeper or jcb, even if i hated them, I’d still want to see what all the fuss is about, we’re not talking about owning it or buying one, just taking it for a spin.

It’s actually quite saddening that you (and Puntofan) at such a young age, have reached a point in your life so young, that you don’t feel the desire or need to try anything new. it will be a very boring 60-70 more years you have left if you think that everything you have gained, achieved and experienced already, is everything you wanted to do, you’re basically saying there is nothing else in life for you.

So bearing that in mind, if someone said here have ago in this Porsche, Ferrari, Maserati, Lamborghini etc, are you really going to say no?

Would you rather be the person who when the subject comes up at work about dream cars and someone says, “I wish I had......” you’re going to say either “I drove one of them once” or “I was offered a go in one once but because I liked my fiat panda at the time, I declined the offer of having a go”

This is a rhetorical question, I don’t need an answer, but it’s something to think about and answer yourself. It goes beyond cars, holidays, partners, life events. do you wanna be a person who turns down any opportunity of experiencing something new, or do you want to spend the rest of your life experiencing everything life has to offer.

As I said don’t answer me here, it really doesn’t matter either way to me what your reply is, it’s definitely a question you need to consider over a long period of time, rather than writing a knee jerk response as some other might, and let’s leave this thread to get back on topic.
 
I'm on the mend from the worst cold I've had in living memory and it's so chilly outside that I'm watching the F1 qualifying whilst worrying about how my dear "better half" is getting on at the supermarket in my nearly new Ibiza. - only the second time she's driven it. Poor old Tony - our venerable Cordoba estate - her preferred drive, failed to start! Flat battery. Due, I am guessing, to lack of running as it was renewed about 4 years ago but the car only does very local running. Gonna charge it up and see how it goes.

This incident, and my slothful lethargy at this minute, has caused me to reflect on the subject of this thread and it's relevance to us. We bought Tony ('99 SEAT CORDOBA VARIO 1.9 tdi) when he was about 18 months old and I have maintained him with great care using quality products. He has repaid us with all these years of extremely reliable and economic motoring. Until a couple of years ago he was doing a mixture of long haul, Edinburgh to Devon and Edinburgh to Wiltshire maybe 4 times a year, and local running. Then, on the way out of town to collect our grand daughter, he went into "limp home" whilst accelerating quite hard away from a roundabout. Luckily in the inside lane so no problems caused to anyone else. Switch off ign, switch on again, ECU reset and all ok again! That was until the next time! VCDS pointed the way to a number of possibilities which in the end narrowed down to a ruptured wastegate diaphragm (this is not a variable vane turbo). Great, should be a cheapish fix. But no! Nobody seems to do just the vacuum capsule on it's own! Then started to thinking, we ussualy run two cars but Felicity ('92 Panda) had to be retired last year due to extreme infestation of tin worm! Tony now not great for long distance. Ok, buy new, or newish, car. Make Tony our runabout, so bought "TWINK" our SEAT Ibiza Estate. Then MOT time last year, Tony passed (turbo problem didn't affect emissions test!?) but I was informed of a few looming problems.

So that kind of sets the scene. Oh, he could do with a timing belt and there is, of course, the problem that his clear coat is lifting all over the place! Makes him look like someone recovering from severe sunburn with dead skin flaking off! The mechanical problems are just about fixable but a complete turbo, even second hand, is maybe a step too far on a car worth just a few hundred pounds. Rectifying the paint? Is my spraying up to it? On a whole car, outside in the driveway? So I find myself in the position I'm sure many others do too, although I'm lucky that Tony is not my main daily driver now. I could repair him but quite a substantial wad of dosh will be required which could never be recovered on trade in. He is also old so other components are nearing the end of life too. There is also the fact he is a gross poluter - no DPF and old rotary type injection pump feeding a direct injection head. Oh, and don't mention the road tax! It makes no sense, and I can't afford to replace him with a brand new car just for running round the town but down sizing to the likes of an older, maybe 2010 Panda, petrol for instance, would be ideal. This solution would take poor old "gross poluter" Tony off the road and keep us mobile with a much less poluting and suitable car. Why is there no scrappage allowance for people, like me, who would be willing to put an old diesel off the road and replace it with a substantially less poluting, but not brand new, vehicle? This option also has the advantage that there are no additional manufacturing polutants being produced in the process!

What do you think everyone? Anyone got an opinion? After all, we can't all afford to just buy new cars how ever much we might want too.
 
I'm sure there was some talk of resurrecting the scrappage scheme to do just that - take older petrol and diesels off the road. I have noticed some local dealers are running their own version of the schemes with very generous part exchange for cars that will be scrapped. Might be worth a look around to see if you can find something similar near you. Car sales have taken a nosedive of late and you may find dealers a lot more willing to negotiate than usual - if you pick the right marques, of course.
 
I'm sure there was some talk of resurrecting the scrappage scheme to do just that - take older petrol and diesels off the road. I have noticed some local dealers are running their own version of the schemes with very generous part exchange for cars that will be scrapped. Might be worth a look around to see if you can find something similar near you. Car sales have taken a nosedive of late and you may find dealers a lot more willing to negotiate than usual - if you pick the right marques, of course.
Oh yes, I think anyone buying just now is in quite a strong position. Unfortunately the scrappage thing only seems to apply if you're buying new? And my point is that by replacing an older high poluter with a less poluting used vehicle not only are you reducing your output of polutants but there are no manufacturing polutants to take into account. So my argument is that as long as you are replacing a high poluting vehicle with a lesser poluter then it's good for us all and the old vehicle should qualify for a scrappage allowance, surely this makes sense?

By the way, can I also ask? A couple of weeks ago I asked about timing out when composing posts. I think it was g8rpi? Who advised me to either use note to compose and then paste into the thread (and this works very well) or to activate "remember me". Well, half way through composing the last post I did my neighbour came to the door as he couldn't get his car to start (he's not a car person). Turned out to be a flat battery so took Tony off charge and transferred the charger to Terry's car (oooh, S type Jag) I had checked the "remember me" box before I started so although it was about a half hour before I got back to it, the post was still accepted. Can anyone tell me what "remember me" does? Are there any downsides to ticking it? Why isn't it just enabled all the time regardless? Probably just another thing this silly old duffer doesn't understand!
 
By the way, can I also ask? A couple of weeks ago I asked about timing out when composing posts. I think it was g8rpi? Who advised me to either use note to compose and then paste into the thread (and this works very well) or to activate "remember me". Well, half way through composing the last post I did my neighbour came to the door as he couldn't get his car to start (he's not a car person). Turned out to be a flat battery so took Tony off charge and transferred the charger to Terry's car (oooh, S type Jag) I had checked the "remember me" box before I started so although it was about a half hour before I got back to it, the post was still accepted. Can anyone tell me what "remember me" does? Are there any downsides to ticking it? Why isn't it just enabled all the time regardless? Probably just another thing this silly old duffer doesn't understand!

"Remember Me" on this forum, when ticked, means that each time you visit Fiat Forum your computer will remember to keep you logged into your profiled so that you can post / read messages etc as PuggIt Auld Jock. This should pretty much be checked all the time on your personal computer or phone. If you were using a friends computer, or a public library for example you wouldn't want "Remember Me" to be checked as then the computer would keep your Fiat Forum account logged in and other people may use it. So that's why it's not always enabled, as there's some cases where if you forgot to log out yourself, the computer would be protecting your information by 'timing out', basically signing you out automatically after a short space of time to keep strangers from accessing your account.

Hope that helps? Apologies if it confuses you more!
 
At least the government is doing it's bit to get diesels off the road...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...llion-diesel-car-drivers-hit-new-green-taxes/

Of course wasn't it them who convinced everybody to buy them in the first place?

Seems unfair that hard working people who have come to really like their diesel cars have to pay the price..

And as usual you miss the point. This is a tax on new diesels.

Also, the government getting diesels off the road is shortsighted... the next generation of diesels will be cleaner than petrol cars...
 
And as usual you miss the point. This is a tax on new diesels.

Also, the government getting diesels off the road is shortsighted... the next generation of diesels will be cleaner than petrol cars...

Well.. if there's a big tax on new diesels... People who are buying a car may be put off... Thus, less diesel cars bought, thus less diesel cars on the road.

I think if they were going to be cleaner than petrols, it would be the other way around, wouldn't you?

Hope that makes sense now (y)
 
Well.. if there's a big tax on new diesels... People who are buying a car may be put off... Thus, less diesel cars bought, thus less diesel cars on the road.

I think if they were going to be cleaner than petrols, it would be the other way around, wouldn't you?

Hope that makes sense now (y)

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No! As I said, the next generation of diesels WILL be cleaner than petrol engined cars. Petrol cars will soon require particulate filters as well...

I work for a car manufacturer, it’s my job to be aware of these things.
 
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No! As I said, the next generation of diesels WILL be cleaner than petrol engined cars. Petrol cars will soon require particulate filters as well...

I work for a car manufacturer, it’s my job to be aware of these things.

I'll believe that when I see it, but if consumer demand falls (due to high taxes or the likes of the VW emissions scandal) then it will become near impossible for manufacturers to say "Oh btw guys, we know you just went back to petrol but why not give diesel another shot?!" .. Won't work. IF, that happens, demand falls and diesels continue to have a bad reputation.. no company will waste time or money continuing to invest in researching them for passenger cars. Why would they if nobody bought them in high enough numbers?

And anyway, which company do you work for? You mention it quite a lot and we're all dying to know :D. Companies predictions and claims are unrealistic enough anyway, hence the topic of this thread lol

Electrics and hybrids are already catching on at a growing rate, slowly but steadily. Doesn't BMWs heavy investment in them show it? Tesla? It's going that way so Diesel can do what it wants. Petrol too really! With talks of them being banned in 2040... does the claim your making really mean anything in the long term?

My point was, so we don't go off topic, Diesels are getting more expensive now and less attractive to consumers who are having to pay the price as a result of these scandals and realisation of how dirty and harmful they can be in contrast to manufacturer claims. For any moderators following this, I'm genuinely trying to keep it on topic and relevant and away from bickering!
 
Okay... diesel emissions I’m read up on bear with me I’ve had lots of cider as I’ve driven to Cornwall in my diesel car.

Anyway... diesels would of been running fine until VW emissions scandal.

The cheat device from the most deceptive cheating manufacturer that sheep brits continue to admire and continue to purchase because it’s hip to own a crap vw. Jees some of the rubbish I’ve seen on route to Cornwall people ploughing along in old builders vans because ‘I look sweet dude’ and the old vw rubbish engines ploughing crap into the air, especially a nasty old green T5 van I saw on the motorway.

I really hate VAG by the way

The tax effects a Euro 5 or under or cars who don’t meet the the new NDEC testing of real world emissions.

My opinion? Scrap all the old buses, vans and cars the emit the obvious amount of of soot.

This is from what I see, old VW PD engine vehicles, quite a few BMW’s as well and some old Fords and Vauxhall’s that have not been serviced properly
 
I’m not saying it on a public forum. Hell, if you don’t trust me I can take a photo of my ID badge and send it to a mod if you want ?

The only thing that will be banned in 2040 will be pure Diesel or petrol cars. So for instance your Panda wouldn’t be allowed to be sold, yet a LaFerrari would be legal.

Electric cars are the future for sure, but diesels will be around for a fair while, petrol also.

There will be people who will always go for diesel.

Just remember, not all diesels are as bad as you think. My car has a lower environmental impact than a petrol 320i would. I do however hope this scandal does stop people buying diesel cars when they only do short distances.

I’m all behind electric cars and hopefully this car will be my last ICE purchase.
 
Any evidence of this? Everything I’ve seen says it applies only to new cars.



Also, it wasn’t just VAG, others did cheat. FCA for one.


I didn’t mean existing cars when I posted that.

New road tax changes from April 2018

New diesel cars bought from April 2018 will be subject to increased first year VED road tax rates if they don’t meet the Euro 6 emissions standards, both in the laboratory and in ‘real world’ testing, it was announced in the Autumn Budget 2017.

It’s unclear which cars will be able to meet Euro 6 standards in the laboratory and in real-world tests, but in order to escape the new VED rise, diesels will have to meet Euro 6 standards according to real-world RDE criteria, part of the new WLTP efficiency assessments.
 
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