Nats, those are exactly the sorts of figures that the Twinair is capable of and I'm sure things will only get better 
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General TwinAir Thread (including MPG)
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General TwinAir Thread (including MPG)
Well, I've had my Twinair for nearly 3 weeks now and have just clocked 2000 miles in it. My dealer told me to drive it hard right from the start to run it in and said to ignore the MPG figures - he said to expect 35MPG at first and that it wouldn't be totally run in until 5000 miles.
I have done just that - and what a great little car! I really enjoy the drive, it's the best car I have had. I've been in eco mode when I've been stuck around town but not very much at all to be honest as I have just been enjoying the drive!
It is so responsive and I love how the engine sounds
Anyhow, my MPG reading (bearing in mind I haven't been driving it for economy) is just over 49MPG. I have done a lot of motorway driving but also a lot around town and being stuck in traffic so I'm pleased with this and am not going to really take much notice of the fual economy until it has done 5000 miles and then I am going to see if I can reach the 60s!
I agree 100%, it is a great car and the engine seems to compliment its character perfectly, my mileage is a lot lower than yours but my mpg is steadily improving, but I dont worry about it. Just enjoy the drive.
first time post so be gentle, looking to buy a 500 twin air in march and having a wobble whether to got twin air or 1.2 at the moment given the main reason for getting one was for economy
given the cracking deals at fiat at the moment the saving in fuel would pretty much pay for the car other than insurance and means my daily can be modified a bit more for fast road/track use
have to admit my local dealer (hartwells in abingdon) has not been great as would like a good old boring technical sheet and a pricelist, its not too much to ask, fiat website isn't brilliant
love the idea of the twin air as a marketng tool for my company given the CO2 rating
given the cracking deals at fiat at the moment the saving in fuel would pretty much pay for the car other than insurance and means my daily can be modified a bit more for fast road/track use
have to admit my local dealer (hartwells in abingdon) has not been great as would like a good old boring technical sheet and a pricelist, its not too much to ask, fiat website isn't brilliant
love the idea of the twin air as a marketng tool for my company given the CO2 rating
Firstly, welcome to this forum. You have certainly chosen what may prove to be a controversial topic for your first post!
The general consensus seems to be that the TwinAir is a great drive which delivers on all its promises EXCEPT for economy - noone seems to be able to get anywhere near FIAT's claimed mpg for the car. Also, it's £1200 more expensive to buy than the 1.2 petrol.
So my advice is this: If you are making the purchasing decision on economy grounds alone, then order the 1.2 UNLESS you can benefit from the congestion charge exemption on a daily basis. It will almost certainly cost you less money overall under just about any ownership scenario imaginable.
You might find this link interesting:
http://www.parkers.co.uk/News/News/Can-an-eco-model-save-you-money/
although the details of their calculations are both suspect & confusing, the ideas behind them are sound - buying eco versions of current cars may not necessarily give you the most economical motoring.
I've owned a 1.2 petrol for a year, and I do drive it as economically as I am able. Thus far, no one on this forum has managed to get TwinAir mpg figures that even come close to what I am achieving. Of course, this may change when the warmer weather comes and the new TwinAirs loosen up as they run in.
I'd have to disagree. Whilst no one has got those sorts of figures just yet, the weather is warming up and they're putting the miles on and the figures are improving.
That said I still feel that if you're getting one purely for economy reasons then the 1.2 might be the better bet.
That said I still feel that if you're getting one purely for economy reasons then the 1.2 might be the better bet.
Remember that for some of us the BIK is a major cost saving on the TwinAir.
Cheers
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A very good point which I'd completely forgotten - company car drivers will need to take this into account.
its complex as i run my own company so the options are to buy one privately or via my company and pay bik, there are so tax breaks on low C02 cars, swings and roundabouts given the paultry mileage rates etc etc and a job for my accountant
i'll probably drive both as i am sure performance will come into it given my current daily packs 298bhp and 350lbft but loves its V-Power, in reality i was basing my figures on fiat claims but around 50mpg overall
i'll probably drive both as i am sure performance will come into it given my current daily packs 298bhp and 350lbft but loves its V-Power, in reality i was basing my figures on fiat claims but around 50mpg overall
im sorry if this has been asked already but i don't have time to read the whole thread at the moment but what is insurance like on these?
That rather complicates things
& it depends on how much profit your business is likely to generate, and when.If you go for the TwinAir, then it seems you can claim the whole cost of the purchase against your current years profit:
Capital allowances
If you buy a new car for your business that has CO2 emissions of 110 grams or less per kilometre (g/km) driven, or is electric, you can qualify for a 100 per cent first-year capital allowance. This allows you to offset the whole cost of the investment against taxable profits in the year you make the purchase until 31 March 2013.
Nice if it works for you.
Twinair lounge is group 12 and the 1.2 is group 6. This is in the new 1-50 scale though. In practice you might find the difference doesn't amount to a huge difference in the cost of insurance. The pop drops insurance to group 11
Finding the insurance group is not as easy as you might think, and different insurers put the same cars in different groups anyhow. This link isn't my favourite website but it does have the merit of showing the likely insurance groupings of the current 500 range on one page.
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/insurance/fiat/500-2007
The TwinAirs look to be about 5 groups higher than the corresponding 1.2s and about the same as the 1.4s. The 95hp diesels are the highest of the lot.
No. The insurance groups are set by the group rating panel which includes members from the insurance industry. http://www.theaa.com/insurance/car-insurance-groups.html
Here's a better database not on a site run by some dozey old coffin dodger with a mail order bride http://www.thatcham.org/abigrouprating/index.jsp?page=343
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That rather complicates things
If you go for the TwinAir, then it seems you can claim the whole cost of the purchase against your current years profit:
Capital allowances
If you buy a new car for your business that has CO2 emissions of 110 grams or less per kilometre (g/km) driven, or is electric, you can qualify for a 100 per cent first-year capital allowance. This allows you to offset the whole cost of the investment against taxable profits in the year you make the purchase until 31 March 2013.
Nice if it works for you.
yes its what i thought
on the insurance front it wasn't as cheap as i thought in fairness and pennies between the two
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Sometimes it isn't necessarily about the group but the insurer. When I had the 500 diesel and changed to the TwinAir the premium went up, both cars were insured with the same company.
When I bought the Abarth I had to change company as the insurer I was with didn't cover it. I ended up paying less for the Abarth (fully comp on all of them) than on either of the other two cars.
It certainly pays to shop around to get the best deal and I admit that with the car insurance I had got a little complacent and hadn't tried to get a better quote at renewal times.
When I bought the Abarth I had to change company as the insurer I was with didn't cover it. I ended up paying less for the Abarth (fully comp on all of them) than on either of the other two cars.
It certainly pays to shop around to get the best deal and I admit that with the car insurance I had got a little complacent and hadn't tried to get a better quote at renewal times.
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That rather complicates things
If you go for the TwinAir, then it seems you can claim the whole cost of the purchase against your current years profit:
Capital allowances
If you buy a new car for your business that has CO2 emissions of 110 grams or less per kilometre (g/km) driven, or is electric, you can qualify for a 100 per cent first-year capital allowance. This allows you to offset the whole cost of the investment against taxable profits in the year you make the purchase until 31 March 2013.
Nice if it works for you.
Works for me, which I why I have a twin air convertible on order! It's a no brainer.
These days it's not worth running a car through the company in most instances because of the tax charges, but with 100% capital allowance and 10% benefit in kind, the twin air ticks all the boxes. Even unincorporated businesses can benefit from the allowances.
Our other company car of choice is a Prius, for exactly the same reasons, but the twin air will be much more fun! Can't wait.
I did consider it, however the car would not be used completely for Business, and when it is sold the money belongs to the Business not to the individual and so still there is a tax liability in taking that money out. However as you say it certainly makes more sense than almost any other car.
